Acceptance in christianity

[Bruce4444]

k people i got sum thing on my mind. why do so many christians in the south act like sinning should be punishable by death. eg. being gay, unwedded sex, and so on. yes these are sins but why do we hate sinners so much. by the way im catholic. isnt gods way the way of peace and love. then why do we put up ads like god laughs when fags die. i mean common who are these people to say wut god is thinking. its just like in the past when the kings said that only they could talk to god. u know thats bullshit. and how people are so judgemental about unwedded sex. didnt jesus forgive a whore and told her that god still loves her. so if we are trying to be closer to god then why do we hate instead of love.

[Atomical]

It's all about patriarchy and social stratification. Just look at all the lies the christian right makes up about homosexuals. The only logical reason they embark on campaigns such as this is to create status and prestige for themselves.

[Interest]

quote:Originally posted by Bruce4444:

k people i got sum thing on my mind. why do so many christians in the south act like sinning should be punishable by death. eg. being gay, unwedded sex, and so on. yes these are sins but why do we hate sinners so much. by the way im catholic. isnt gods way the way of peace and love. then why do we put up ads like god laughs when fags die. i mean common who are these people to say wut god is thinking. its just like in the past when the kings said that only they could talk to god. u know thats bullshit. and how people are so judgemental about unwedded sex. didnt jesus forgive a whore and told her that god still loves her. so if we are trying to be closer to god then why do we hate instead of love.

You are right on all accounts. However, what isn't being taught is forgiveness through repentance. All of us are in no better shape then the homosexuals, lying kings, adultery and so on if it weren't for our ability to repent of those things and be forgiven by the "blood of the lamb"

One thing to remember is that the people Jesus forgave also stopped what it was they were doing. Jesus didn't just say your sins are forgiven. He also said go and do these things no more.

Just because someone claims to be a Christian doesn't mean they are.

I'll try to put it in perspective. If your parents give you a curfew of 10pm and you keep coming home at 11pm. They will eventually punish you for it. Just by you saying I'm sorry I will stop doing it isn't enough on it's own. Of course you have to start obeying their rules. I know this may sound condescending to some but it is that elementary.

[This message has been edited by Interest (edited 04-13-2006).]

[Interest]

quote:Originally posted by Atomical:

It's all about patriarchy and social stratification. Just look at all the lies the christian right makes up about homosexuals. The only logical reason they embark on campaigns such as this is to create status and prestige for themselves.

Actually it's about preserving tomorrows and doing our best to make sure there is a peaceful place for the next generation. Unlike the social debates going on now it seems everyone just wants their fun now and damn the tomorrows. So it is in the culture of death.

[Atomical]

quote:Originally posted by Interest:



Actually it's about preserving tomorrows and doing our best to make sure there is a peaceful place for the next generation. Unlike the social debates going on now it seems everyone just wants their fun now and damn the tomorrows. So it is in the culture of death.

Allowing homosexuals to marry is going to cause war? I don't think there is anything fun about my stance on homosexuality. It's a reality that these people are capable of doing the same things that heterosexuals do.



[This message has been edited by Atomical (edited 04-13-2006).]

[Interest]

quote:Originally posted by Atomical:



Allowing homosexuals to marry is going to cause war? I don't think there is anything fun about my stance on homosexuality. It's a reality that these people are capable of doing the same things that heterosexuals do.

You are correct on all accounts but one. By the act and passions of homosexuality alone shows the inability to follow the laws of God.

Marriage is a Christine ritual done before the eyes of God to swear and oath of partnership through lifes hardships and good times until the very last breath.

It is offensive to Christines that the homosexual can demand the ability to make the same oath because they are doing an end run around the commandments of God and forcing their way into a place of sancturary reserved by God for a man and a woman.

If you were to call it something other then marriage - for example a civil agreement or something then there is no issue. But the unholy act of gay marriage should not be compared in the same light as those who believe they are getting married to please God.

Understand?

Now if you said gays should be allowed the sancturary of a legal contract between each other by the government then that is a different thing.

However, I feel this thread is going to go in the wrong direction.

[hyroglyphx]

quote:Originally posted by Bruce4444:

k people i got sum thing on my mind. why do so many christians in the south act like sinning should be punishable by death. eg. being gay, unwedded sex, and so on. yes these are sins but why do we hate sinners so much. by the way im catholic. isnt gods way the way of peace and love. then why do we put up ads like god laughs when fags die. i mean common who are these people to say wut god is thinking. its just like in the past when the kings said that only they could talk to god. u know thats bullshit. and how people are so judgemental about unwedded sex. didnt jesus forgive a whore and told her that god still loves her. so if we are trying to be closer to god then why do we hate instead of love.

I think you need to move out of wherever you live because they sound jacked up if what you say is true. I wouldn't worry too much about them, God rebukes those who claim His name more harshly than those who don't.

[Interest]

I have to add - to dispell the myth that there is such a thing as the PC "acceptance" in the church. Even Jesus taught that Heaven is not reserved for everybody. In fact he was very divisive in His teachings.

There is a path that one has to follow to get to Heaven. It's called believing, repenting and becoming baptized in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

Any earth dwelling human being can come and go into the places where Christians meet but there has to be a sign of "Jonah" eventually. There are exclusionary rules set in place for a reason. There are boundries set for a reason. Those reasons I don't dare spend any time explaining because you have to first believe there is a spirit world to understand there is a constant spirit war being fought. There has to be great cauition as to who we spend time with as we are all very easily lead astray.

For example; why would I want to spend an eternity with somebody who hates me because of what I believe in and doesn't want to do anything other then destroy those things I hold sacred? I guess you would have to believe in an eternal life to answer that as well.

[Atomical]

quote:Originally posted by Interest:

I have to add - to dispell the myth that there is such a thing as the PC "acceptance" in the church. Even Jesus taught that Heaven is not reserved for everybody. In fact he was very divisive in His teachings.

There is a path that one has to follow to get to Heaven. It's called believing, repenting and becoming baptized in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

I'm pretty sure all you have to do is believe.

John 3:16

[hyroglyphx]

quote:Originally posted by Interest:

I have to add - to dispell the myth that there is such a thing as the PC "acceptance" in the church. Even Jesus taught that Heaven is not reserved for everybody. In fact he was very divisive in His teachings.

There is a path that one has to follow to get to Heaven. It's called believing, repenting and becoming baptized in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

Any earth dwelling human being can come and go into the places where Christians meet but there has to be a sign of "Jonah" eventually. There are exclusionary rules set in place for a reason. There are boundries set for a reason. Those reasons I don't dare spend any time explaining because you have to first believe there is a spirit world to understand there is a constant spirit war being fought. There has to be great cauition as to who we spend time with as we are all very easily lead astray.

For example; why would I want to spend an eternity with somebody who hates me because of what I believe in and doesn't want to do anything other then destroy those things I hold sacred? I guess you would have to believe in an eternal life to answer that as well.

Well said....