Sinless God Paradox

Alveric · #1 2006-04-17, 02:08

This is just a theory of mine, but here it goes:

In the bible it says that God is sinless and the creator of all things, so obviously if this is true (If you are a Christian I cant say much about the other two main religions) then he must have created sin. In Christianity God is also omnipotent, as well as the creator of the mankind and the Earth itself. How can such a creature be sinless yet create a sinfull being? True it may actually prove impossible for him to physically sin himself. Yet him being omnipotent must have known that mankind his creation would break all his mandates and commit every sin that God had created. Thus creating something you know would sin would this not make you sinner. Or is God above such things?

ArgonPlasma2000 · #2 2006-04-17, 02:48

Sin is not a "thing." It is an attitude. It is the attitude that you are bigger than God.

Also, man at first was not sinful.

Read the Bible sometime, you might learn something.

Alveric · #3 2006-04-17, 03:35

It matters not whether man was sinless at first or not God in his omnipotence knew that they would eventually sin. My opinion is that God tested mankind (again if you do beleive in this) by planting a tree to lay the cursed fruit. God must have known the outcome he is omnipotent so the bible which you asked me to read says. He told man kind not to sin yet gave them the resources to do so. He tempted sinless mankind, and made them sinners. Sin (again in my opinon) became a "thing" when it was planted in Eden. Did God purposely dirty his own purfect world? If Sin is a attiude that your higher than God then why does it come in the form of rules? Thou Shalt not kill or thou shalt not do that! If sin is an attitude against God then that would imply that God does these things, and indeed by reading the bible I can tell you he does.

either way this is my opinon, and not meant to be takin literally or insult your religion.

(Feel free to give me your feedback and opinons!)

Daz · #4 2006-04-17, 06:58

Believe me - there are many more contradictions to do with our all powerful friend than that one...

The christians can not directly refute them so they just brush their replies in sugar to keep any other christians that are reading assured that their religion is right.

I love it.

Merlinman2005 · #5 2006-04-17, 08:18

-He gave us the Ability to sin. The ability to choose whether or not we WILL sin. That's why he loves us so much, because by serving Him, we are choosing to devote ourselves to Him, and His wants. The Tree of Knowledge wasn't Sin, it was filled with knowledge of Good and of Evil. By eating the Fruit, man didn't sin, but went against what God wanted. Therefore, he brought upon us pain.

-He created us, knowing we would sin. But the Commandments were created to serve as a guiding force for those who want to follow Him. It divides the good from the bad. You can create whatever you want, and set upon them whatever rules you want. If you have control over the consequences, anything goes. But that doesn't make him a sinner.

-A teacher can put forth rules in a classroom. Knowing children, they will see a few as unfair and not care if they get broken. They will also see a few as kind of daring them to break them. But the teacher still has the authority over the kids. And the power to punish them if he wants. He is above the rules, because they don't apply to him.

Kadafi · #6 2006-04-17, 08:32

Einstein signed letters that allowed the development of the nuclear bomb. Does that make him responsible for the use of the bomb, and deaths caused by it?

In my opinion, he is not.

Kalashnikov is not responsible for the deaths of all those who used rifles based on his design, the people using his rifles were.

Viraljimmy · #7 2006-04-17, 08:49

Einstein was not omnipotent or omniscient. He didn't create the universe and he couldn't see the future. See the difference?

Kadafi · #8 2006-04-17, 08:55

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quote:Originally posted by Viraljimmy:

he couldn't see the future.

I'm sure he had a good idea that the bomb would be used.

Or else he would not have pleaded for it not to be.

Kalashnikov designed a rifle. What else do people do with rifles than kill or practice for killing?

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elfstone · #9 2006-04-17, 09:32

What is sin really? Is it a helpful concept for man or just an arbitrary invention used for psychological oppression and manipulation?

The creator of the universe murdered every innocent firstborn in Egypt to make the Pharaoh change his mind. You would think omnipotence would give God other options besides terrorism. If such a being defines what sin is, are we to trust it at all?

Dre Crabbe · #10 2006-04-17, 10:51

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quote:Originally posted by Viraljimmy:

Einstein was not omnipotent or omniscient. He didn't create the universe and he couldn't see the future. See the difference?

Let's say you were so mad at a person that you wanted to kill him or her. Let's say I give you a pistol. You use this pistol to kill this person? Does that exclude me from all responsibility? No. You still did the deed yourself, but can you honestly say I had nothing to do with it?