Why do christians feel that refering to the bible proves their point?

[Moridin]

It seems that any time there is a topic that doubts some christian belief or questions whether or not it is all bullshit there are always posters who site the bible, like it proves their point. The bible was written by humans, making it instantly falliable. Just because some person says that god spoke to them and told them to write this down or if its their interpretation of some event doesn't mean that it is the ultimate truth and it doesn't prove a god damn thing. Any "holy" writing answers the same sorts of questions and preaches and subscribes to the same need for answers. I don't know why I decided to write this and I apologize if it doesn't all make sense (I am a little drunk I guess) but if someone could explain christians resoning behind citing the bible as a source and as absolute fact I would appreciate it.

[ArgonPlasma2000]

All we have to base any belief or doctrine on is the Bible itself. It, then, is the only thing we have to defend, and the only thing we have that we can defend with. Why else do you think we would always have to cite it?

At no point do we force you to agree that the Bible is true.

If you were to replace "Bible" with "science" and "christian" with "scientist" and you have the exact same scenario.

Why then do you have a problem with me quoting the Bible when you must do the same thing to show that science is correct?

[Real.PUA]

There is evidence to support science. In fact, science is simply a method to aquire evidence.

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[ohhi]

quote:Originally posted by ArgonPlasma2000:

If you were to replace "Bible" with "science" and "christian" with "scientist" and you have the exact same scenario.

You are an idiot.

[kenwih]

quote:Originally posted by ArgonPlasma2000:

All we have to base any belief or doctrine on is the Bible itself. It, then, is the only thing we have to defend, and the only thing we have that we can defend with...

and you have hit the nail on the head here. using what the bible says to justify the truth of the bible is circular logic and not valid reasoning.

quote:If you were to replace "Bible" with "science" and "christian" with "scientist" and you have the exact same scenario.

no. science is not a huge monolithic theory which must be accepted on it's own merits, but a set of falsifiable modules which may be independently accepted or not accepted based on repeated scientific experiments. that is why science changes in light of new facts and thinking, whereas christianity and religion generally do not change.

one exception to this is that doctrines eventually had to accept that the earth was not the center of the universe because science proved it. just as it will one day have to accept evolution, as the catholic church already has.



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[King_Cotton]

It's called faith, dipshit, not fact.

[IanBoyd3]

quote:Originally posted by King_Cotton:

It's called faith, dipshit, not fact.

If you don't question your faith, and abandon all to reason, you give in to gullibility and (as the saying goes) have no remaining guard against absurdities and like a ship without a rudder is the sport of every wind.

When we talk morality you can't quote the bible. You can't prove truth based off the bible, no matter how many times you say over and over that it is 100% correct.

And if the bible is correct, then you should be able to prove that its assertions are right anyway.

[Lucky7]

quote:Originally posted by IanBoyd3:

If you don't question your faith, and abandon all to reason, you give in to gullibility and (as the saying goes) have no remaining guard against absurdities and like a ship without a rudder is the sport of every wind.

When we talk morality you can't quote the bible. You can't prove truth based off the bible, no matter how many times you say over and over that it is 100% correct.

And if the bible is correct, then you should be able to prove that its assertions are right anyway.

Dipshit, they aren't trying to prove truth, you're the only ones trying to do that.

Trying to find truth is the most hopeless quest known to men.

[Rust]

quote:Originally posted by Lucky7:



Dipshit, they aren't trying to prove truth, you're the only ones trying to do that.

Not according to the creator of the thread. The reply is in the context of what the creator of the thread feels they are doing (i.e. he feels they are trying to "prove" what they feel is "true").

If you have a problem with the initial assertion take it up with the thread creator.

quote:

Trying to find truth is the most hopeless quest known to men.

Then you should shut the fuck up because pointing out how someone is wrong (he wasn't in this case) is an attempt to find truth itself.

[kenwih]

quote:Originally posted by King_Cotton:

It's called faith, dipshit, not fact.

my point exactly. the two are separate spheres and should not interfere with each other.