The following are a series of posts in a forum, these posts are by Abrahim Esker
Well before you kill this beast, let me tell you one thing: There is no being in the image of man nor any being that created every thing. There is no Diety or God save one, One so obvious that it remains a mystery to most.
People look for a God in the sky, in the Earth, some kind of Image to place faith in, an idea. Yet every single day they meet the only True God, and they deem themselves self sufficient of it, yet they are completely dependant on it.
They want some God that is within the universe that floats around on a magical cloud and controls the universe with a chessboard. They can find that in their minds. Yet that is not The True God I speak of. Any of you can guess what this True God is, the Only God, one that completely has you under its controls through its limitations on you. You can not even think a single thought unless that thought is an available option to you, or do anything without it. You live with it, sleep with it, and interact with it in waking and in sleep. What is it?
God is not some man in the sky, nor will ever be, nor will any thing you can see that you do not already see be your God.
Your God is one God, what we are all made of, exist within, and are completely dependant on.
God is Reality. The Ultimate Reality. The Reality we exist within, interact with, are made of, where all possible perceptions of all possible things can occur, if the option for the thought is not available, you can't think it. The System is smooth, flawless, perfect, without Glitches.
People question the "control" of God without seeing how in fact they are completely limited and dependant on Reality. They look for something within Reality, when Reality itself is The Only God.
I don't only mean objective physical reality, I mean the subjective reality too, what we can think, a superimposed hallucinatory image, what matter is it made of? The actual image is not made of any matter, yet it is still an option within this Reality, or else you wouldn't be able to think it.
God is The Reality, there is no God but this. People say they will believe when they see some large being come down from the sky? Yet any large being that may come down from the sky is within reality, made of reality, limited by reality, thus Reality remains the True and Ultimate God.
The Ultimate Reality is where we exist, where this universe is, essentially it is the only thing, that ever was or will be.
Nothing does not exist, what I mean to say as, True, Absolute Nothing, does not exist, as something (this) can not come from Nothing. Nothing always remains as Nothing, it has no capability to manifest.
On the other hand, Ultimate Reality has always existed, there is nothing beyond it, it is all there is and ever was, it is the manifestor of all possibilities, all realities, including this one.
It is "alive" if it were dead, inactive, then so too would we be non active, incapable, non existant, All things are in motion constantly.
God is The Reality, all things are part of the Reality, made up of the Reality, dependant on the Reality. You can call it anything, from God, Allah, The Tao, The Force, The Brahman, its one thing, all of the above were words to describe it but some ended up humanizing it. It is not a human, it has no form, it is infinite, it has no limits, it is the only power, the ultimate power.
Why would one deny evolution and the processes of this universe? They are made manifest and clear. But to deny Reality would be the mistake, and Reality is the only God, the Ultimate God. The sustainer of Worlds, the Supreme "King", The Provider of all things.
Prove to me Reality does not exist? You can't without blatant denial of yourself and all that is within and without you. Reality is God, the Only God. We are all within it, and Nothing is without it.
Originally posted by truckfixr:
I can agree with you up to a point. Reality exists. Beyond that, you are stretching things a bit.
Reality is not a sentient being, thus it honestly cannot qualify as being a God. You're calling it so is based on your opinion/belief. Not on emperical evidence.
I'm not saying it is sentient in the way we are sentient:
Here is the definition from
www.dictionary.com
sen·tient ( P ) Pronunciation Key (snshnt, -sh-nt)
adj.
Having sense perception; conscious: “The living knew themselves just sentient puppets on God's stage” (T.E. Lawrence).
Experiencing sensation or feeling.
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Everything is made of Reality, including our feelings, and our ability to be sentient. Everything is within Reality, everything is in constant motion. Reality is not "dead" or else that would mean it would be nothing and not exist at all, nor would any thing manifest, exist, or manipulate, or even have a plain on which to exist, nor would or could anything manifest, appear or even move.
Reality is "Alive"
a·live ( P ) Pronunciation Key (-lv)
adj.
Having life; living. See Synonyms at living.
In existence or operation; active: keep your hopes alive.
Full of living or moving things; abounding: a pool alive with trout.
Full of activity or animation; lively: a face alive with mischief.
Main Entry: alive
Pronunciation: &-'lIv
Function: adjective
: having life : not dead or inanimate
Clearly Reality is Animate, we and everything is proof of this.
Ultimate Reality is "Aware" of all things existing within it, the proof of this is in the manifestation of all the available possibilities for us and our ability to execute them, furthermore our personal Awareness being proof of "Reality posessing Awareness". Besides all that, if Reality were not "Aware" those things it is "Unaware" of would not exist.
Aware
adj 1: (sometimes followed by `of') having or showing realization
We and everything around us are the Realization of Reality.
re·al·i·za·tion ( P ) Pronunciation Key (r-l-zshn)
n.
The act of realizing or the condition of being realized.
The result of realizing.
Manifestation:
man·i·fes·ta·tion ( P ) Pronunciation Key (mn-f-stshn)
n.
The act of manifesting.
The state of being manifested.
An indication of the existence, reality, or presence of something: A high fever is an early manifestation of the disease.
man·i·fes·ta·tion (mn-f-stshn)
n.
An indication of the existence, reality, or presence of something...
Main Entry: man·i·fes·ta·tion
Pronunciation: "man-&-f&-'stA-sh&n, -"fes-
Function: noun
: a perceptible, outward, or visible expression
There is your "Creation" The Manifestation of this Reality which is within Ultimate Reality, which is the Manifestor. To call it the "Manifestor" is not innacurate as clearly, we are manifest and here to prove it.
The funny thing is "We are witnesses unto ourselves" what I mean to say is "we are the proof against ourselves" So is everything else!
So to Recap, We and All that is, ever will be, ever was, ever can or will be, in this or any other reality, belongs within Ultimate Reality. Ultimate Reality is what we are "Manifest" within. There is no Diety or God greater or mightier than this, and it is not a humanoid or anything of the sort, nor does it operate or think like us, it is infinite, the proof of its life is in the movement of all things, the proof of its awareness is in our being manifest. If it did not "know" we would be "dead" or inactive in it. know ( P ) Pronunciation Key (n)
v. knew, (n, ny) known, (nn) know·ing, knows
v. tr.
To perceive directly; grasp in the mind with clarity or certainty.
To regard as true beyond doubt: I know she won't fail.
To have a practical understanding of, as through experience; be skilled in: knows how to cook.
dead ( P ) Pronunciation Key (dd)
adj. dead·er, dead·est
No longer in existence, use, or operation.
We are the proof amazingly, yet we look everywhere for something that doesn't exist, when "God" is right infront of us, we are operating through it. We are sufficient proof of it. The Ultimate Reality, we are within it, it is without us, self sufficient, be it that we exist or not, it is ever living, before and after. Call it what satisfies you, it is one undeniable thing, to deny it is to Deny the Truth, Yourselves, The Reality which you exist within.
ex·ist ( P ) Pronunciation Key (g-zst)
intr.v. ex·ist·ed, ex·ist·ing, ex·ists
To have actual being; be real.
It is one God that has appeared throughout history, constantly mutated by the minds of men which belong to it completely, for their form to the possible thoughts they can possibly think. Even the most ancient hunter gatherer societies have this most ancient concept ingrained into their personal religions, even so, athiests deny it due to their definitions of God which they base of the corruptions of humans. God is and has always been "The Ultimate Reality" Never has "God" been a man in the sky, some being with a form, or anything possible within Ultimate Reality because it, itself is Ultimate Reality and all things are within it, not without it.
Its been called many things, though it is one thing, and so too are we, who all belong in it and exist only within it and because of it, are one with it, yet we deem ourselves self sufficient, we are completely dependant. We are under its controls by its limitations. It is beneficent in its gamut of options which it has bestowed us, to do what we wish, and all things having their cause and effect.
People claim that this world is IMPERFECT, do they see glitches? Does your computer screen suddenly dissapear forever with no explanation right before your eyes? The System is Perfect, This Reality is Perfect, Ultimate Reality is Perfect, if it is incapable of one thing it is Imperfection, as Imperfection is Nothing, it can not manifest.
All Religions are an attempt to explain this truth in a way people can understand. Many get close. Christianity tries in its own way but its humanizations mislead.
The first beliefs understood this, it was understood all was a part of Reality, then each part, to explain the phenomena was accounted a spirit of action, originally accepted as part of the One, but later misrepresented through alagory and explanation as its own part, and all beliefs have this core, as does human existence, since it is undeniable.
Each Religion from the most ancient to the new says it in their own Way and tries to make the message clear. It is one Message. There is only One Religion.
The only dispute and matter of "Faith" should be in an afterlife or ressurection.
But even so, that concept is there, once again reflecting ultimate Truth, that to everything there is a Cycle, even so to this universe, it expands and will collapse and restart. The Night and the Day and the Night and the Day. The land grows dry and dead and then rains bring out the life again. A million metaphors to represent the ultimate cycles within Reality.
Please read the above post if you havent!
Reality is obviously not aware in the way we are but Reality is aware, the fact that we exist being that awareness manifest. If not we would not exist, but true that to us sounds humanization, but I don't mean it that way AT ALL.
en·ti·ty ( P ) Pronunciation Key (nt-t)
n. pl. en·ti·ties
Something that exists as a particular and discrete unit: Persons and corporations are equivalent entities under the law.
The fact of existence; being.
The existence of something considered apart from its properties.
If anything, in that case, Reality would be the only Entity, what we all exist within, what only exists, what we are all made of. That would only be according to definition 2 of the word. In any case, everything is within and part of one thing, and that is Reality, it is infinite, essentially it is all there is.
in·fi·nite ( P ) Pronunciation Key (nf-nt)
adj.
Having no boundaries or limits.
Immeasurably great or large; boundless: infinite patience; a discovery of infinite importance.
Mathematics.
Existing beyond or being greater than any arbitrarily large value.
Unlimited in spatial extent: a line of infinite length.
Of or relating to a set capable of being put into one-to-one correspondence with a proper subset of itself.
I thought it was relevant since the word Manifestation was used, Creationists can simply say that the Bible uses metaphor to teach in the case of the story of our creation. Then they can take science as the fact, the story as the metaphor representing the science. I don't know why they would defend something untrue when they can just as easy take it as metaphor.
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Yeah I didn't understand what the phycedelics was reffering to:
did you mean:
psy·che·del·ic ( P ) Pronunciation Key (sk-dlk)
adj.
Of, characterized by, or generating hallucinations, distortions of perception, altered states of awareness, and occasionally states resembling psychosis.
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Originally posted by truckfixr:
We are aware. Reality is not.
Consider this. If all life in the universe were to cease to exist, any and all awareness would also cease to exist. Reality would remain. There would simply be no one to observe.
If we are Aware, Reality "posesses" Awareness. If it did not, we would not be Aware. Its language trickery maybe, but its literal too.
You are right about the second part, Reality would remain.
Most of what happened yesterday is unknown and unremembered, unverifiable, unproveable.
Were we created?
Were we manifested?
Were we molded by evolution?
Why can't people understand whatever the case, they are all the same, and the proof is that we are here.
We are manifestations, manifested within Reality and this Universe, and molded/created by evolution, a process which was originally manifested as a possibility within Reality and this Universe. The argument goes into semantics, language, and philosophy. There is only One God worthy of Worship, Understanding, Submission. There is no Being within this Universe or outside it worthy of worship save the one thing.
The one thing has been described in a billion ways over history by different people, and it is always an attempt to explain the one thing which EVERYONE knows willingly or unwillingly. There is no Elephant, Bearded man, Spirit Being, or any other explanation of the One thing.
The One Thing is not seperate from anything, or any of us, we are within it, a part of it, manifested by it, within it, and are completely dependant on it.
Some call it "What is Real" some give it other images and forms, thus limiting it in peoples minds and ruining the original concept.
Hinduism, Taoism, Islam, they all talk about the one thing and describe it in various fashions. Even Zoroastrianism, even Athiests can't deny the One Thing, they all call it by different names, it has no name save a name we give it.
Even the oldest religions, the most ancient hunter gatherer beliefs try to describe this one thing and mention it in their various fashions.
I call it "Reality" what encompasses all of us, objective, subjective.
Hindu's call it brahma (nominative singular), brahman (stem) (neuter[1] gender) means the concept of the Supreme transcendent and immanent Reality or the One Godhead or Cosmic Spirit in Hinduism; this is discussed below.
The Vedas depict Brahman as the Ultimate Reality, the Absolute or Universal Soul (Paramātman) [6]. It is the ultimate principle who is without a beginning, without an end, who is hidden in all and who is the cause, source, material and effect of all creation known, unknown and yet to happen in the entire universe.
Bhuddists include this belief as well as other religions that have sprung from Hinduism.
"Ishvara (ईश्वर in devanagari script, pronunciation /ī:sh vərə/), also variously transliterated (romanized) as Īshvara, Īshwara, Īshwar, Īśvara, etc. (Sanskrit: "the Supreme Lord, and hence the Cosmic Controller") is a Hindu philosophical concept of God meaning that entity or the Supreme Being which is the lord and the ruler of everything. It is also used in Buddhism to mean 'lord' or 'master', eg, Avalokiteshvara."
The same goes for "The Tao" in Taoism.
The same with "Allah" in Islam, it is a description of Ultimate Reality.
Everyone from the beginning of our attempts to explain things, have been attempting to explain one thing, which we exist within, interact with, are controlled by, has an infinite potential of aspects (manifestations) but is One, call it what you want, Reality, Tao, The Brahman, Allah, God. It is one thing, and it is One. Nothing is outside of Reality, it is infinite and all encompassing, the most powerful thing. No big man in the sky, beast, or alien creature is worthy of Worship, the most powerful thing is this Reality. It is one Religion, it has always been one Religion, people have tried to describe one thing over and over and people tend to misunderstand it over and over again: They seek what can only exist within their minds, and EVEN THAT is within the bounds of the One Reality, The Ultimate Reality.
"Pantheism (Greek: pan = all and Theos = God) literally means "God is All" and "All is God". It is the view that everything is of an all-encompassing immanent God
Debate
Some critics argue that pantheism is little more than a redefinition of the word "God" to mean "existence", "life" or "reality". Many pantheists reply that even if this is so, such a shift in the way we think about these ideas can serve to create both a new and a potentially far more insightful conception of both existence and God."
This forum is for religious debate, it has a name that is very cute: My God can beat the Shit out of Your God, while both are attempts to describe one singular thing.
The other point people can debate on is the afterlife, something which no one has proof or knowledge about or for, what we know is now, and we should use it to the best of our advantage.
Understand: New and Old, attempts have been repeatedly made to describe one thing, there is nothing else we know but Reality, it was what we live in and are made of and are completely dependant on.
The Qur'an says it, Hinduism says it at its core, and Taoism said it too.
It has no name so call it what you want, it is one thing and it is undeniable.
There is no Diety or God but the Reality we exist within. There is no man sitting in the sky waiting for you, there is no man who is God, there is One Ultimate Reality, all that is within it is a part of it equally.
You are all manifestations within Ultimate Reality, this is obvious because here we are, debating what is obvious.
Nothing can threaten the True Religion, and it is one, and nothing can destroy it either because it is True. You can attempt to deny the undeniable, but it is futile because even to deny it you utilize it to do so and are completely dependant. The best you can do for yourself is to humble yourself to it, submit to it, attempt to become one with it, at peace with it, do right: Islam, Taoism, Hinduism, Bhuddism all suggest the same thing. Judaism and Christianity also attempt to describe the path of becoming at peace with Reality.
Do what you know is right, and good for you, good for others, you know it, I know it, we may do it differently. What is wrong is bad for us and others, what is right is good for us, and good for others. Use common sense.
Being human and living in Reality is an automatic religion, you breath, you walk, you talk, you fight, you write, you laugh you cry, you argue about one thing with different names.
All Polytheistic Religions from the past were originally an attempt to describe what is known, and what is unknown. To describe Reality which is one, they gave it aspects, which became known as spirits or Gods, which controlled each aspect, but are all part of the "Creator" or "King" or the "Master" God which is Reality, and all were manifestations of it.
The One Truth, Reality exists, internal or external, we are all here and manifested by it, dependant on it completely.
Originally posted by Beta69:
Sure thing.
Creationist side: Evolution is false science because we have deemed it so based on how we read a couple chapters in an old religious text.
Evolutionist side: Evolution is most likely correct because mountains of tested and retested evidence based on tried and true methods says so.
QED
K thanks. I really appreciate it.
What would happen if Creationists say Evolution was Created?
I believe many people including athiests have an incorrect humanized idea of God, which makes it easy to simply discard because of its obvious absurdity. I do not believe God is some man or woman in the sky holding lightning bolts or controlling things somewhere in space with a chess board. I believe God is "Reality", everything is made of it, nothing exists without it, it is surrounding us, within us, everywhere. We are made of complex knowledge and mathematics that allow us to exist but essentially we are all parts of reality, you and I no better than a tree or a molecule of air, all part of the same thing! The way in which God controls everyone is just that! A leaf falling, nothing can happen without the possibility for it to happen to exist. We cant even think if the possibility of the thought didnt exist. To put it simply, everything is available to us, what isn't, we can't concieve of, what we can concieve of is already available as something we can possible concieve of. God, Reality, is what has always been there, not this planet or universe, but if there was ever a time of pure nothing, no possibilities, no numbers, no black, no white, no nothing, absolutely nothing would still be there, as nothing can produce only nothing. Something cant come from nothing. The source of all possibilities and realities, innumerable is The Ultimate Reality, God. God being in the image of nothing, but with the function of manifesting absolutely all possibilities and realities. We are the proof that there is no such thing as nothing, if there were nothing there would STILL be nothing. To say something came from nothing is as illogical as to say God is a man in the sky who has a kid who is him who was born a baby who shat and bled and died.
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TABLE OF CONTENTS:
1.NEW PROFILE: THE INFECTION: APPRECIATE EVERYTHING
2.MY PHILOSOPHY!: WHAT IS GOD?
3.THE DEBIL PRIDE: A HUMAN'S WORST ENEMY!
4.EVERYTHING HAS A FUNCTION!
5.WHAT IS WORSHIP?
6. MORALS REVIEW!
7. OLD PROFILE: CONTACT INFORMATION!
and so...it begins...!
1.NEW PROFILE:
OK CHILDRENZ *comma* Here's some sweet wisdomishness coming your way! You don't know how good you've got it until you feel the pain of an internal infection of the "tubes" the testacles, and everywhere else...hahah it rocks my socks!
How I got it, is a mystery, but I'm happy I did get it. Why? Who could be happy about not being able to sit, stand, walk, sleep, move, sleep...WELL ME OF COURSE! Why? Because it tells me how good I've got it, and how good you've all got it too...
Don't cry and mope and diddle daddle, paddy waddle about silly things "Oh my boyfriend said I was fat" CELEBRATE, you can hear! You can walk, you can speak, you have everything in sickness and in health...haha its a beautiful thing.
Love life with everything it sends you, this pain is a multiplication of the pain caused by childbirth and I embrace it, because it tells me and whispers, and screams of the beauty and perfection in all things...
I laugh when I'm crawling on the floor to get to my bed, or when I urinate fire onto my enlarged flaming testicle, or when I stand and knives stab me through the belly like wonderful reminders of all the good things in this universe...pain is a wonderful teacher, if you haven't met it, then meet this lesson, and embrace everything, complain about nothing, everything is as it should be. Amen! hahahaha man it kicks ass!
2.MY PHILOSOPHY!
Ok next...Whats my philosophy? Ok I'll tell you... What is God?: God is not a man or a woman or a thing created, God is infinite, we are all within it, nothing is without it, it encompases all realities, everything. What is God if its not some old dude sitting in the sky? God is "The" Reality! Everything is part of it, within it, and nothing is seperate from it. We see God all the time, feel God, Experience God...How? We are living God, In God, Part of God, Surrounding us! Ain't that shnazzy? BOOM!
3.THE DEBIL PRIDE!
What is Hu-Man's worst Enemy?!: Well, The Debil!? Well some people call it that, but its not really some dude with horns...its "Pride". I mean Pride in a bad way, not self respect, self respect is a good thing, but Pride, Pride is the "I am" That seperates a person from Everything Else "From Reality". Its the "Why did this have to happen to ME!" or the "They made ME feel pain, now I'll make them feel pain worse!" or the "How could they say that to me!" or "I'm better than them!" (How can you be better than anything we are all part of the same thing, with our individual functions!) "I know more than him" (He knows what he knows, you know what you know, share baby!)
So how do we defeat this son of a bitch that causes all anger, regret, sadness, arrogance, evile!, revenge, negative feelings?! Well easy! Humility, Humbleness...What is that? A humble person never even says "I am Humble" or "I am not proud" It's a person who is forever learning the lesson of acceptance, openess, peace, they are one with Reality...One with everything, they realise they have a function just like everything else, good and bad, and they are part of the puzzle, just a piece, like the flowas and the trees, and the birds and the bees! hahahaha, Pride is sneaky, makes many appearances, comes from all angles, has many disguises, such as self righteousness, Know it all ism, EVEN LOVE?!
Love? Yeah love, because people invest "pride" into people and things they love, so when those things are hurt or destroyed or insulted, those people go berserk like wild ninjas on cocain! Yep...it's a naughty little thing...but a humble person has time to be reasonable, hear all sides of all stories, they listen without cutting people short just because they think they are better, in fact they dont think they are better, they know they have a function just like the other person. They are cool people...Humbleness rocks! Pain tries to teach humility sometimes too!
4.EVERYTHING HAS A FUNCTION!
Alrighty, next on the list...We make choices, but everything that happens has a function that leads to results and more functions, a never ending chain reaction, and its only pride that makes us regret and not see the good things in the chain or the blocks, how they wouldnt pile up the same or at all if one block in the past is removed. FROM EVERYTHING COMES GOOD EVENTUALLY...
Even a murder, though its initially bad, bad for the person who does it (he probably did it out of pride) woah I farted just now, that rocked...Yeah but it still leads to good, those little decomposer dudes got food, it must have led to a million lessons, a million different good events, people changing their ways, noticing something, reading about it, blah blah blah, anyway, nothing goes to waste, good or bad...so be easy kids! and be Good, because in the first place its Good to be Good, Bad to Be Bad, for the bad person, but thats about it! Everything can be shown in a positive light...
5.WHAT IS WORSHIP!?
Worship is submission, submission to THE REALITY, Bowing down, literally, sometimes metaphorically, to The Reality (God) We exist within it, part of it, all that jazz! WE fall down prostrate ourselves to the ultimateness of the powerfulness and the coolness that is God/Reality hahah it kicks ass!
This is Abrahim Esker, Signing out, Typing to you on my knees, literally ,sweating, coughing, in wonderful amounts of pain worse than delivery of a demon baby named "Toradask'd"! AND HAVING A BALL OF A TIME! Because its fun, APPRECIATE AND BE THANKFUL FOR EVERYTHING YOU HAVE, EVERYTHING IS AS IT SHOULD BE IN THE TIME IT IS! BE HUMBLE! BE COOL! Thanks! Check out my old profile if you wanna contact me. Peace!
6.MORALS REVIEW! :
Alright so we learnt about celebrating everything we get in life, the good and the ouch.
We learnt about appreciating everything we have the material, the physical, the non physical and all that stuff!
We learnded bout' God, not being some old dude, but being Reality, Life, and Everything in it including us, We are inside Reality, part of it all, Experiencing it, Experiencing GOD! Woohoo!
We learnt about that naughty debil named "Pride" aka "The I Am That seperates people from everything else" he's also a whiney jack ass "Oh Why'd this happen to me! waaah waaah waaah" Boohoo jack ass! celebrate!
We learnt about Pride's disguises like self righteousness, know it all ism, arrogance, investing pride in creations like art or someone we love, and all those things. Pride sometimes even disguises itself as a "I am humble" or "I am not proud" kind of statement.
We learnt that even though bad things happen it all has it's function, just like us and everything else has it's function. Nothing is wasted. But that doesn't mean to go out and be a jack ass because I'm sure that's bad for the individual.
I think we should appreciate everything we have, and in addition take care of ourselves and our surroundings by staying healthy and cool!
Finally we learnt about how to worship this "mysterious" God that we wake up to, sleep in, and look at every day without even knowing it. Submitting oneself to Reality (God). Realizing we are just another piece of the puzzle and bowing down.
I hope these lessons help you out in life, and feel free to add me to any chat thing, or to ask me questions, I'd love to answer!
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