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Old 2006-05-21, 00:29
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I am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, or in other words, I am Mormon.

I am a convert of a year and a half, and I studied the religion quite extensively before my conversion. As one who's recently been an outsider of my faith, and an insider, I have a somewhat unique perspective. I am quite serious when I say that I will be offended by no question, however outlandish.

However, as Digital_Savoir has proven to be intolerant and seeking judgement, not truth, I will duly ignore any questions she might ask. Sorry digi, but you're not welcome here.
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Old 2006-05-21, 00:46
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I guess my biggest question, right now, would be what is the Church of LDS "recruiting tactics".

I only ask because I recently found out that my aunt had converted from Seventh Day Adventist to Mormonism, and it sort of caught me by surprise.

Your experiences and just a general overview of their conversion practices would be welcomed.
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Old 2006-05-21, 01:15
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quote:Originally posted by napoleon_complex:

I guess my biggest question, right now, would be what is the Church of LDS "recruiting tactics".

I only ask because I recently found out that my aunt had converted from Seventh Day Adventist to Mormonism, and it sort of caught me by surprise.

Your experiences and just a general overview of their conversion practices would be welcomed.
We have missionaries, young men and women (many more men than women) who serve for two years. They are called to serve all around the world.

These missionaries knock on doors, and some converts meet them that way, but the most successful are the times where the missionaries are introduced to the potential convert (we call them "investigators") by other members of the church.

Anyway, these missionaries teach lessons to the investigator about the church. When I was being converted, there were 6 lessons, the first about Joseph Smith. They give you a copy of The Book Of Mormon on the first day. Nowadays, this has changed, I think there are 4 lessons, which draw more on the missionaries own thoughts and testimony than on routine. I think the first lesson now is about God, but I'm not sure. If you're interested in that detail, I can look it up.

The "front line" as far as our conversion tactics goes, would be the missionaries, however a lot of the converts come from ordinary people within the church who talk to their friends, neighbors and relatives.

Any more specific questions I would love to answer.

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Old 2006-05-21, 01:29
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Why does the church no longer recognize polygamy?
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Old 2006-05-21, 01:41
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What is Mormonisms stance on the following (please make answers to each specific as to which points it might disagree or agree with):

Athiesm

Bhuddism

Judaism

Islam

Jehovah's Witnesses

Protestant Christianity

Lutheran Christianity

Catholic Christianity

Donnie Osmond (lol just kidding)

Creationism vs Evolution

What is God's control and power? Could you describe it?

What is God?

How does God Operate?

Where is God?

How did the book of Mormon come about?

With what validity or authority ("proof") does it come from its source?

Who was the founder of Mormonism what is his life story (in short)?

What is the Goal of a Mormon?

What is the Goal of Mormonism as an organized religion?

What happens to people after they die?

What are some things a Mormon is forbidden from doing?

What are some things a Mormon is encouraged to do?

What is the difference between Mormonism and other forms of Christianity, why doesn't it unite with other forms of Christianity?

What are some common questions and social issues Mormons face?

Who does God like, why?

Who does God dislike, why?

What does God like, why?

What does God dislike, why?

How does one get into Heaven, or the Kingdom of Heaven, or Paradise?

How does one get into Hell, or the fires of Hell, or Punishment in the afterlife?

What happens to a soul when we die? Then what happens?

Enjoy the questions! Please make the answers detailed but easy to reach and seperated out with the questions above the answers like:

What happens to a soul when we die? Then what happens?

Answer: Well the soul...

(Thank you so much for making this page!)

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Old 2006-05-21, 01:52
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why did joseph smith give a different text the second time he dictated the mormon bible?
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Old 2006-05-21, 02:16
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What was it that made you think they were any less full of shit than anybody else?

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Old 2006-05-21, 02:27
Jaryohem063 Jaryohem063 is offline
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Abrahim... Wow, that's quite the list of questions... I'll answer what I can from memory, others I'll see if I can get to tomorrow.

To your list of churches:

We believe that all churches, with the possible exception of satanistic churches, have truth in them. We believe that we are the only church out there that has all the truth that is here on the earth, however. Any church that teaches it's parishoners to be good people and ends up being a force for improving it's members is a good thing.

Creationism: There is no specific doctrine to my knowledge dealing with evolution. I'm personally a theocratic evolution guy. I think God caused stuff to evolve in other words.

God is an exalted man. He has a perfect body, and is perfect. He is omnipotent and all-knowing. He is our father in heaven.

God operates by sending the Holy Spirit to teach those who pray for his guidance. He also gives the faithful and worthy the power to act in his name to bless and heal others. These days at least...

Where is God? I really don't know. I'd expect in heaven or something to that effect.

The book of mormon was written by prophets in the americas between 500ish BC and 300ish AD. I can't remember the exact numbers. When the faithful here were wiped out, The BOM was hidden in new york to await Joseph Smith, who translated it into English by the power of God.

The proof of the Book of Mormon comes from the spirit of God. Each member of the church has at one point prayed to God to know if the BOM was true, and each has found that it is. Besides, I find it unlikely that such powerful words could come from the mouth of a 14 year old 3rd grade educated boy. Especially as it was written in less than a year and was never revised.

Joseph Smith founded the church in the 1800s. When he was a boy, he went into a grove of trees to pray to decide which church he should join. God the father and Jesus christ appeared to him and told him to join none and to start his own. After that he married his wife Emma. A couple years after that Joseph Smith translated the book of mormon. The church grew from there, and Joseph Smith was repeatedly persecuted. He was tarred and feathered, beaten, etc. Finally, a warrant was issued for his arrest, and he turned himself into the authorities at Carthage jail, knowing full well that he would not return alive. A mob broke into the jail and shot and killed both Joseph Smith and his brother hyrum.

As a church we have three goals:

<UL TYPE=SQUARE><LI>To proclaim the Gospel (to spread ore religion as much as possible)<LI>To perfect the saints (to make mormons better people)<LI>To redeem the dead (We believe that if someone does not accept Jesus Christ on the earth, they have the chance to do so after their death, but they must still be baptised here. We baptise them in our temples.)

</UL>

When we die, we live in the spirit world, in either prison or paradise (heaven or hell) to await the resurrection. After this, we will be judged and will either be with God in the celestial kingdom, or be sent to the lower kingdoms, the terrestrial kingdom, or the lowest, the telestial kingdom. (based on a verse in corinthians)

Mormons are discouraged from drinking alcohol, coffee or tea, having sex outside marriage, being dishonest, and taking illicit drugs, among other things.

Mormons are encouraged to attend church, read scripture, pray, pay tithing, attend the temple, and be basically good people.

More questions will be answered in part 2...
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Old 2006-05-21, 02:35
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PART 2

We are different from other christian denominations because we do not believe in the trinity, that is we believe that God and Jesus Christ are two different people, and that we believe that we have modern day Prophets to teach us what God really thinks. We don't "unite" with other forms of christianity basically because they don't recognise us, and don't wish to unite with us.

God loves everyone. He is our father, and a good father always loves his children, no matter what they do. We may disappoint him, but his love is unconditionial.

We face ridicule and derision from non mormons, and we can face peer pressure from other mormons to serve missions and such, stuff like that.

In order to live with God in the afterlife one must repent of their sins, be baptised by immersion for the remission of sins, and must be confirmed for the gift of the holy ghost. If you don't do all that in this life, you may after you die, however the same spirit that posesses us now will after death, so if you're not a good person now, you might not become one later.

If you don't do the above you end up in the lower kingdoms. You are not burned or anything like that, the anger and the guilt, the knowledge of what you could have had but did not, the knowledge that you are absent from God, that will form your "hell".

I hope I didn't miss any... Feel free to repost if I did. Feel free to post any clarifications you may need. I kinda winged all these questions, didn't do any research or anything.
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Old 2006-05-21, 03:04
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Thank you so much for taking the time to answer all those! I feel I have a slightly better understanding of some of the concepts of Mormonism now! I need a little more explanation on what God is, how he is an Exalted Man, who Jesus is, What Jesus is, Where Jesus came from and When, What is the holy Ghost, where is the holy ghost, when was the holy ghost created?

Basically a review on What God is, an explanation of God's form as an Exalted man and how that works and what that is more specifically, Jesus his role and all that, The Holy Ghost. In detail please thank you!
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