how can god not exist?

[Mister-Sawed-Off]

If the universe is infinite, then that means the supernatural exists, because infinity doesnt exist according to athiest. If it stops somewhere, whats at the end? And what's beyond that, nothing? What is nothing? That doesnt exist to athiest either. And if it does, why? You've never seen nothing, just like you've never seen god, so why would you believe nothing existed? I hate to break it to you, but there is no brick wall at the end of the universe. No matter how you look at it, there is something supernatural going on.

And not only that, what about what created the universe? What some gases combined, and created everything, ok, what was here before that? Was space just empty, with no stars or planets? Ok, what created space, or existance for that matter? something always had to be here for any of those theories to come out right, ie infinity.

As for me, i know there is something beyond this life, and i believe there is a ruler over everything. Who or what it is, and where i go after this life, i dont know.

But the point im trying to make, is athiesm is stupid, because you have to have faith to believe it. And thats the reason you bash religion, is because their beliefs are based on faith. I dont believe any particular religion, but i know something is beyond this.

(do any people of PD disagree? and the mods can move this to the religion forum if you want).

[Rust]

1. If the universe were infinite, that in no way would mean the supernatural exists.

2. Atheists can believe in infinity.

3. Atheists don't have to explain what made the Big Bang possible or anything else. They can merely say that they do not know, and that would be a much more intellectually honest answer than the god-of-gaps theist use (and you are using) to explain the unknown.

4. Nothing you said showed how atheists supposedly need faith.

5. I'm sending this to "My God Can Beat the Shit Out of Your God".

[Twitch_67]

quote:Originally posted by Rust:

1. If the universe were infinite, that in no way would mean the supernatural exists.

2. Atheists can believe in infinity.

3. Atheists don't have to explain what made the Big Bang possible or anything else. They can merely say that they do not know, and that would be a much more intellectually honest answer than the god-of-gaps theist use (and you are using) to explain the unknown.

4. Nothing you said showed how atheists supposedly need faith.

5. I'm sending this to "My God Can Beat the Shit Out of Your God".

Damn, beat me to it and put it more concisely too.

[Mister-Sawed-Off]

uuh yes i did. they need faith to believe in something that they havnt seen 'nothing'.

and how the hell can an athiest admit that something can actually be infinite, not just in theory?

[Martini]

quote:Originally posted by Mister-Sawed-Off:

uuh yes i did. they need faith to believe in something that they havnt seen 'nothing'.

It doesn't take faith to not believe something, it takes faith to believe in something with no evidence at all.

I'm guessing that you don't believe that flying unicorns exist, correct? Does it take faith for you to not have that belief?

quote:Originally posted by Mister-Sawed-Off:

and how the hell can an athiest admit that something can actually be infinite, not just in theory?

First you'll have to explain the problem with atheists believing that infinity exists.

What do you mean by "not in theory"?

It seems that you've come to the illogical conclusion that if there are things you can't understand about the universe, such as "what is nothing", that lack of understanding means "there must be a God".

quote:Originally posted by Mister-Sawed-Off:

I hate to break it to you, but there is no brick wall at the end of the universe. No matter how you look at it, there is something supernatural going on.

Thanks for letting us all know that there is no brick wall at the end of the universe. Now I'll share something with you:

Lack of a brick wall does not prove the existence of something supernatural, however, the existence of a brick wall might.

quote:Originally posted by Mister-Sawed-Off:

And thats the reason you bash religion, is because their beliefs are based on faith.

That's right, belief based on faith is infinitely ignorant.

[Rust]

quote:Originally posted by Mister-Sawed-Off:

uuh yes i did. they need faith to believe in something that they havnt seen 'nothing'.

1. You're assuming that the atheist believes in "nothing" as part of the universe. That's not something for you to say.

2. I believe that you are a human being typing in a computer. Does that mean I have faith because I'm not sure you're an alien? Well, you could say so since I'm assuming this without any evidence, however, not only do atheists don't care about all faith - they care about the presence or lack of faith in a god - but I would have a logical expectation about you being a human being typing this with a computer, based on other evidence I do have.

There's a humongous difference between the faith in believing that there is "nothing" somewhere, and believing in a god.

One can be described in materialistic terms, with Scientific knowledge (hell, states nearing this materialistic description of "nothing " can be achieved (e.g. the vacuum)) and the other is an unscientific, and unsubstantiated belief. The two are not comparable in the least.

quote:

and how the hell can an athiest admit that something can actually be infinite, not just in theory?

How couldn't he do so? You're the one who made the claim that he could not possibly believe in something infinite existing, it's up to you to first show how he couldn't.

[This message has been edited by Rust (edited 11-03-2006).]

[Lou Reed]

quote:Originally posted by Mister-Sawed-Off:

If the universe is infinite, then that means the supernatural exists, because infinity doesnt exist according to athiest. If it stops somewhere, whats at the end? And what's beyond that, nothing? What is nothing? That doesnt exist to athiest either. And if it does, why? You've never seen nothing, just like you've never seen god, so why would you believe nothing existed? I hate to break it to you, but there is no brick wall at the end of the universe. No matter how you look at it, there is something supernatural going on.

And not only that, what about what created the universe? What some gases combined, and created everything, ok, what was here before that? Was space just empty, with no stars or planets? Ok, what created space, or existance for that matter? something always had to be here for any of those theories to come out right, ie infinity.

As for me, i know there is something beyond this life, and i believe there is a ruler over everything. Who or what it is, and where i go after this life, i dont know.

But the point im trying to make, is athiesm is stupid, because you have to have faith to believe it. And thats the reason you bash religion, is because their beliefs are based on faith. I dont believe any particular religion, but i know something is beyond this.

(do any people of PD disagree? and the mods can move this to the religion forum if you want).

[The_Big_Beef]

quote:Originally posted by Mister-Sawed-Off:

If the universe is infinite, then that means the supernatural exists, because infinity doesnt exist according to athiest. If it stops somewhere, whats at the end? And what's beyond that, nothing? What is nothing? That doesnt exist to athiest either. And if it does, why? You've never seen nothing, just like you've never seen god, so why would you believe nothing existed? I hate to break it to you, but there is no brick wall at the end of the universe. No matter how you look at it, there is something supernatural going on.

And not only that, what about what created the universe? What some gases combined, and created everything, ok, what was here before that? Was space just empty, with no stars or planets? Ok, what created space, or existance for that matter? something always had to be here for any of those theories to come out right, ie infinity.

As for me, i know there is something beyond this life, and i believe there is a ruler over everything. Who or what it is, and where i go after this life, i dont know.

But the point im trying to make, is athiesm is stupid, because you have to have faith to believe it. And thats the reason you bash religion, is because their beliefs are based on faith. I dont believe any particular religion, but i know something is beyond this.

(do any people of PD disagree? and the mods can move this to the religion forum if you want).

Are you some sort of dumbass?? Its A-T-H-E-I-S-M, if your going to criticize atheists be sure you at least spell the name right. First off an atheist can believe in infinity. and whats so hard about believing the universe is infinite (was not created) if you believe that god was never created? i really dont understand your logic. Please explain.

[Mister-Sawed-Off]

what evidence do you have that 'nothing' exists? that means no space, no anything. so yes, your basing your belief on faith, just as much as somebody who believes any other religion.

my logic? is i truly dont blindly believe in anything. i know that something had to always be here, whatever that may be, and i know that that something governs existance.

so your saying you believe space was always here?

[Mister-Sawed-Off]

and yes, im a dumbass because i didnt spell a word right. sorry, i dropped out. but since you spell perfectly, that means you know everything. fag.