Jesus and history

[Eulogy]

are there any non-biblical related documents in history that refer to the existenece of jesus?

[Quebb]

There was a guy named Jesus on American Idol.

My step dad is named Jesus.

Bitch.

[AnAsTaSiO]

I did a search and I didn't really find any good sources...

I remember reading somewhere that there is, but I am not really sure.

[Martini]

Many try to use the supposed writings of Josephus as proof of Jesus' existence, but the authenticity of those documents are sketchy at best.

Check this out: http://www.nobeliefs.com/exist.htm

[Iam]

When you say 'non-biblical' do you mean not contained within canonical texts? There are many, many texts relating the life of Jesus that were exluded from the text. However, much of them were excluded for good reason.... I think though, that the vast number of texts that mention him and the very fact that Christianity exists is enough testament to his existence. The search for nonbiblical references of Jesus's existence is one that is inherently fueled by skepticism.

Tell me; what exactly are you looking for in seeking the non-biblical accounts? Are you trying to determine his divinity or are you merely trying to decide if he actually historically lived?

[Martini]

quote:Originally posted by Iam:

the very fact that Christianity exists is enough testament to his existence.

Bullshit!

[chubbyman25]

From what I've heard it's pretty well agreed that he was a real person. Now whether he was Jehova is not so agreed on.

[Raw_Power]

quote:Originally posted by chubbyman25:

From what I've heard it's pretty well agreed that he was a real person.

Only by Christians and those not bothering to delve into it.

[Frontier Psychiatrist]

http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/surfeit.htm

[Iam]

Only by Christians and those not bothering to delve into it

My friend, you (and the others here who have claimed that they don't believe Jesus existed) are an idiot. I am supremely confident in the fact that I have spent vastly more time both in defense of his existence and as a proponent to the idea that he didn't exist. I have spent a great deal of time studying theology, and I can tell you right now that, yes, merely the fact Christianity exists and the vast number of documents mentioning him are enough to attest to his existence. As another person on here said, the only contested item is his divinity (which I don't agree with, by the way, so not only Christians and people who don't care to consider find that he existed).

The fact of the matter is that Jesus existed, and all the evidence on the site mentioned here: jesusneverexisted.com is trivial and unimportant (yes, I used to be an advocate of the site). Whether there was a census, whether Nazareth existed; it's all completely irrelevant and the mention of the two were likely the interpolation of the early church.

I would recommend some reading materials for you, but I figure you're just an anghsty little shit who wouldn't bother to read anyways (this goes for everyone here who tries to claim he didn't exist). You'd be much happier believing (on baseless faith, btw) that he didn't ever exist because it makes you secure in your hatred of Christianity.

In truth though, I am not a Christian and I am completely confident in that Jesus was not divine and I have come to such knowledge by way of search and education; I suggest you pursue the same path so you stop looking like a stupid asshole.