If you are an atheist

[owned]

Then why would youstill try to be a good person.

I mean, once you dye theres nothing so you might as welll try to brake the laws and everything, as there is no after judgement, and if you're clever you won't get caught.

You are going to talk about your morals now fro a very long time aren't you..

But where did your morals come from?

You're going to say your parents, so you're not influenced by religion.

Where did there morals come from?

Either there parents or religion.

So, if you look back far enough, everyones basic morals are guided by religion.

So, you, infact, are religous.

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[Raw_Power]

All morals come from man, for if all religions are manmade then all the morals of religion are manmade.

As for where morals come from? Simple, man’s need to be with man for man is a social creature and people wouldn’t exactly get along very well if they were all stealing, raping, and murdering.

P.S Atheism simply means not believing there is a God. There is religious atheists, such as Buddhists for example. Your thread fails.



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[owned]

Personally, I am christian. Buts lets look at your view.

If religion is bs, then any morals could be put in. If I went to some of the hunmans when civilisations and religions combined, and preached murder and mayhem, you wouldstill follow it, because the"Gods" commanded it.

[Raw_Power]

quote:Originally posted by owned:

If religion is bs, then any morals could be put in. If I went to some of the hunmans when civilisations and religions combined, and preached murder and mayhem, you wouldstill follow it, because the"Gods" commanded it.

Religious people have followed preachers of murder and mayhem. Look at the Muslim suicide bombers, look at the inquisitions, look at the crusades.

That is the very problem with religion. The preaching of lies, such as God and false history, and the encouragement of blind acceptance and following of morals that might not be very moral at all.

In my opinion, morals should be made as a guidance to avoid pain and live in harmony with others for man is a social being. And, in my opinion, morals should be made based on reason, consensus, and thought on the consequences of actions.





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[owned]

quote:Originally posted by Raw_Power:

Religious people have followed preachers of murder and mayhem. Look at the Muslim suicide bombers, look at the inquisitions, look at the crusades.

That is the very problem with religion. The preaching of lies, such as God and false history, and the encouragement of blind acceptance and following of morals that might not be very moral at all.

In my opinion, morals should be made as a guidance to avoid pain and live in harmony with others for man is a social being. And, in my opinion, morals should be made based on reason, consensus, and thought on the consequences of actions.

How do you KNOW relions are false?

You don't. I beleive they are, but I don't actually KNOW, neither do you?

[Raw_Power]

quote:Originally posted by owned:

How do you KNOW relions are false?

You don't. I beleive they are, but I don't actually KNOW, neither do you?

I assume they are false until I see evidence that states otherwise. The people who claim religion is true must provide evidence for their statements, and until they do, I choose not to believe. Not believing in something because there is no evidence is logical, believing in something in spite of lack of evidence is illogical.

I have yet to see any evidence that hasn't crumbled to pieces.

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[coolwestman]

owned has been owned, lock thread

[Aft3r ImaGe]

+1 Raw Power

[Q777]

Atheist morals come from the same place your morals come form, the social contract. A agreement that you you play nice if most every one else plays nice.

quote:Originally posted by owned:

How do you KNOW relions are false?

You don't. I beleive they are, but I don't actually KNOW, neither do you?

I don't know they are false. In the same sense I don't know that Santa Clause, Esterbunny, Flying Speggittie Monster, invisible pink unicorns, and etc are not real. There is no evidence so I presume them to be false until other wise

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. -Carl Sagan

[The_Big_Beef]

quote:Originally posted by owned:

How do you KNOW relions are false?

You don't. I beleive they are, but I don't actually KNOW, neither do you?

First off, I say good job to Raw.

Now think of it this way. I can say that there is a weightless invisible object that is floating right between my hands and this object if you havent guess defies all the laws of physics. You have no proof that there is and that there isnt. But would it be logical to assume that there is in fact an invisible weightless object floating in the air? Of course not.