what about "ghosts"?

[gmail]

I don't believe that a god exists thats anything like what any religion says. I doubt there is a god really. What I don't understand about the belief in not believing in anything after death, is what about ghosts? Tons of people have seen them, there are plenty of tv shows about them, you really cant say they don't exist. Don't ghosts prove that there is something after death? I've read about "dimensions" of life and how we live in one and when you die to go to another one. Im not trying to spew my beliefs on you folks, but what are your thoughts on this?



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[Raw_Power]

I'm an atheist, but if I believed in a God, it would be Brahman... not that that has anything to do with this thread.

[Martini]

quote:Originally posted by gmail:

Tons of people have seen them, there are plenty of tv shows about them, you really cant say they don't exist.

But I can say that there is not enough strong evidence to say that they do. Tons of people claim to have ESP, have been possessed, have magical powers, have seen UFOs, have had contact with aliens, etc. Should we believe in all of the above because there have been tons of claims?

When someone sees something unexplained in the sky, he often believes it was an alien spacecraft, but that has only been since about the forties. In earlier times something unexplained in the sky was believed to be a fairy. In other times, it must have been a witch. Of course when someone sees something in the corner of thier eye or has an unexpected artifact on a photograph, it's a ghost.

If ghosts existed, wouldn't it make sense that they would appear to the vast majority of us? Wouldn't they constantly be throwing stuff around restaurants, movie theaters, etc., just to goof on us? If they're visible to some, wouldn't they appear in stadiums occasionally for all to see, instead of appearing as an apparition on a photograph.

The fact that plenty of people have made claims and that there are TV shows, is not enough logical steps of inference to come to the conclusion that ghosts must exist.

[gmail]

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But I can say that there is not enough strong evidence to say that they do. Tons of people claim to have ESP, have been possessed, have magical powers, have seen UFOs, have had contact with aliens, etc. Should we believe in all of the above because there have been tons of claims?

When someone sees something unexplained in the sky, he often believes it was an alien spacecraft, but that has only been since about the forties. In earlier times something unexplained in the sky was believed to be a fairy. In other times, it must have been a witch. Of course when someone sees something in the corner of thier eye or has an unexpected artifact on a photograph, it's a ghost.

If ghosts existed, wouldn't it make sense that they would appear to the vast majority of us? Wouldn't they constantly be throwing stuff around restaurants, movie theaters, etc., just to goof on us? If they're visible to some, wouldn't they appear in stadiums occasionally for all to see, instead of appearing as an apparition on a photograph.

The fact that plenty of people have made claims and that there are TV shows, is not enough logical steps of inference to come to the conclusion that ghosts must exist.

Yeah I should have worded that sentence a bit better. I'm just saying that a lot of people have seen them. Sure it could be just in the mind, but there have been plenty of ghosts caught on video. There are many theory's on what causes apparitions so who knows.

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[Martini]

quote:Originally posted by gmail:

Sure it could be just in the mind, but there have been plenty of ghosts caught on video.

You're a hard nut to crack.

[scrooch]

i beleve that they do exist.though i havent seen em.

[Lou Reed]

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[Real.PUA]

quote:Originally posted by gmail:

Yeah I should have worded that sentence a bit better. I'm just saying that a lot of people have seen them. Sure it could be just in the mind, but there have been plenty of ghosts caught on video. There are many theory's on what causes apparitions so who knows.

No. There is no reliable evidence for ghosts.

[Xerxes89]

[quote]quote:Originally posted by Martini:

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Originally posted by gmail:

Tons of people have seen them, there are plenty of tv shows about them, you really cant say they don't exist.

But I can say that there is not enough strong evidence to say that they do. Tons of people claim to have ESP, have been possessed, have magical powers, have seen UFOs, have had contact with aliens, etc. Should we believe in all of the above because there have been tons of claims?

When someone sees something unexplained in the sky, he often believes it was an alien spacecraft, but that has only been since about the forties. In earlier times something unexplained in the sky was believed to be a fairy. In other times, it must have been a witch. Of course when someone sees something in the corner of thier eye or has an unexpected artifact on a photograph, it's a ghost.

If ghosts existed, wouldn't it make sense that they would appear to the vast majority of us? Wouldn't they constantly be throwing stuff around restaurants, movie theaters, etc., just to goof on us? If they're visible to some, wouldn't they appear in stadiums occasionally for all to see, instead of appearing as an apparition on a photograph.

Just because there isn't enough evidence for something doesn't arbitrarily make it false. Ohh, and I guess you have the godlike ability to say what is enough evidence and not? Sigh.

Would ghosts appear to a majority of us? Well, there are two forms of existence: matter and energy. Supposing ghosts are made of energy, and this energy doesn't interact with this world, the only way a ghost could communicate with people is through giving the person hallucinations of your image. So, no, I doubt many people can have the same perception.

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[Martini]

quote:Originally posted by Xerxes89:

Just because there isn't enough evidence for something doesn't arbitrarily make it false.

I never claimed that it did. Read my first sentence again.

quote:Originally posted by Xerxes89:

Ohh, and I guess you have the godlike ability to say what is enough evidence and not? Sigh.

One does not need godlike abilities to come to a conclusion. Sigh.