A new religion: religion bashing

[Orillian]

I see dumbfucks all around me who claim that jehoova's witnesses and mormons(or whatever they're called) are scum for forcing their religion on others and then those same dumbfucks attack some religious friends by telling em that they are stupid for beleiving in a god.

So they criticize spreading religion and then start spreading atheism.

Seems to me like those atheists are just as bad as some religious ppl who force their views upon others.

So stop being hypocritical ppl.

Discuss.

[This message has been edited by Orillian (edited 12-05-2006).]

[Martini]

First, let me state that religion bashing is not a religion.

quote:Originally posted by Orillian:

Seems to me like those atheists are just as bad as some religious ppl who force their views upon others.

I don't see spreading rational thought as a bad thing. If people believed it was okay to have faith in any old thought, isn't it okay to explain that faith- belief in something without evidence- is not a very smart or good thing? There are people in the Bush administration that think we don't need to worry about global warming because of their Christian beliefs that the end times are near. Faith is not only idiotic, it's dangerous. One wouldn't have faith in any old auto mechanic or baby sitter, and for good reason.

Telling people that one should have beliefs based on evidence doesn't even come close to being "just as bad" as religious folks who tell children that God sends their non-Christian friends to Hell, sexual thoughts are sins, the Earth is 6000 years old because the Bible says so and evolution is nonsense, etc.

[AnAsTaSiO]

I agree that some atheist take their beliefs to far, making them almost as bad as religious people who push their beliefs on people.

[Viraljimmy]

quote:Originally posted by Martini:

Telling people that one should have beliefs based on evidence doesn't even come close to being "just as bad" as religious folks who tell children that God sends their non-Christian friends to Hell, sexual thoughts are sins, the Earth is 6000 years old because the Bible says so and evolution is nonsense, etc.

[dr.aids808]

This is not a religion but a way of life. You worship what? Nothing. No religion here might as well be an Atheist.

[bitplane]

title aside, Orillian makes a good point. pushing one view on someone is as good/bad as pushing the next, its all a matter of you believing you're right and they're wrong, and pushing your own shitty ideas down their neck.

but aren't ideas are all about sharing anyway? i only get pissed off with people spreading religion when i don't know them or don't want to listen to them- and canvassers are intrusive no matter what they're selling

[Martini]

quote:Originally posted by bitplane:

pushing one view on someone is as good/bad as pushing the next

No. All beliefs are not equal. Some are good, some are bad, and some are downright dangerous.

quote:Originally posted by bitplane:

its all a matter of you believing you're right and they're wrong, and pushing your own shitty ideas down their neck.

I can list shitty religious ideas all day. What's shitty about the idea of suspending belief in supernatural beings, until evidence is provided for their existence, especially when many of these beings support killing infidels, etc.?

[bitplane]

the human mind's purpose isn't to understand the universe, which is why we can't easily imagine higher dimensions, or describe string theory in layman's terms.

the one thing the human mind is good at is sharing stories made of words, that's all we have. our whole advanced civilization is built on stories, a bunch of babbling ape noises passed from one person to another.

the majority of society are just a bunch of slaves anyway, contributing fuck all towards science and the advancement of the species, so who cares what stories they believe? what's important is the ability to get along with other humans, being tolerant of other people's stories is one way to achieve this. of course we shouldn't be tolerant of fundamentalists who stand in the way of science and progress, but the majority of religious people in the civilized world don't believe in adam and eve or that the earth is 6000 years old

so long as nobody is killing one another over it, how different is a belief in some fictional creator from believing that electrons are particles, that gravity obeys newton's laws, or that group selection takes place in evolution? they're just outdated stories, and if people don't want to believe the new ones they don't have to.

my point is, pushing a story down someone's throat is the same thing no matter how it's justified by religious, political or ethical arguments. an outsider looking in on the human race may make a statement like "they like to fight over stories". it doesn't matter what those stories are about.

[FunkyZombie]

The difference is our "story" is right. We can prove it too.

Which is more then anyone else can say. You'll never hear a scientist saying how you need faith to understand science.

[AnAsTaSiO]

quote:Originally posted by FunkyZombie:

The difference is our "story" is right. We can prove it too.

Which is more then anyone else can say. You'll never hear a scientist saying how you need faith to understand science.

Science is only as accurate as the scientist say it is.

There are constantly things that we've taken for fact being proved false.

Personally, I put much more faith into science then I do religion, however, we must understand that science is not infallible.