Archbishop of Canterbury says that anti-gays misread bible

[napoleon_complex]

http://www.reuters.com/article/world...67470620070417

Personally, I would agree with the archbishop. It would be paradoxical for a christian to believe that the New Testament has anti-homosexual sentiments in it. It just doesn't make sense when you examine other quotes in the New Testament about loving one's neighbor.

Any thoughts from the conservative christians on the board(and others in general)?

[jackketch]

HMmm his pronouncements might carry more credibilty if his church wasn't threatening to split apart over the issue of gay ordination.

And I'm sad to say that the whimsical musings of that full time media celeb and part time member of the Church Of England, also known as 'The Archbish', have long long since lost any validity among the more left wing of the reformation.

[Masta Thief]

Originally Posted by napoleon_complex

http://www.reuters.com/article/world...67470620070417

Personally, I would agree with the archbishop. It would be paradoxical for a christian to believe that the New Testament has anti-homosexual sentiments in it. It just doesn't make sense when you examine other quotes in the New Testament about loving one's neighbor.

Any thoughts from the conservative christians on the board(and others in general)?

You agree? Your a fucking athiest, you got nothing to agree with! Just because you like it doesnt mean thats what it is!

Anti-gay shit is not about hating gays! We dont marry them, why? Marriage is between a man and a woman! Also its very immoral! some may say stuff that you cant say that because it never says that in the bible! Well hate to break it to those but in the old testiment it says that sexual contact between men is wrong! I dont know the exact position it is in nor the exact words(read it myself just cant remember the exact words)!!!

Now with that in mind, we do not HATE gay people! its the act we dont like not the people! We as Christians its our job to try and not to be immoral or commit sins!


it doesnt matter if a man on earth says they are married! It is not seen by God so therefor they can never truly be married!!!

[AngryFemme]

Originally Posted by Masta Thief

Well hate to break it to those but in the old testiment it says that sexual contact between men is wrong!!!!

The Old Testament also says that owning and selling other human beings is alright:

Leviticus 25:44-46: "Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can will them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly."

The Old Testament also says that beating your slaves is okay:

Exodus 21:20-21 "And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished. Notwithstanding, if he continue a day or two, he shall not be punished: for he is his money [property]."

Also, it allows daughters to be sold like cattle:

Exodus 21:7: "And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do."

Do you support these practices also, Masta Thief? If you're going to ditch one passage, you'd might as well ditch them all.

[turkeysandwich]

Originally Posted by Masta Thief

You agree? Your a fucking athiest, you got nothing to agree with! Just because you like it doesnt mean thats what it is!

Anti-gay shit is not about hating gays! We dont marry them, why? Marriage is between a man and a woman! Also its very immoral! some may say stuff that you cant say that because it never says that in the bible! Well hate to break it to those but in the old testiment it says that sexual contact between men is wrong! I dont know the exact position it is in nor the exact words(read it myself just cant remember the exact words)!!!

Now with that in mind, we do not HATE gay people! its the act we dont like not the people! We as Christians its our job to try and not to be immoral or commit sins!


it doesnt matter if a man on earth says they are married! It is not seen by God so therefor they can never truly be married!!!

What give's YOU the RIGHT to prevent a bond between to people who are deeply in love. And just because the OP is an athiest, doesn't mean he can't agree. A man posted an arguement. The OP agreed with him. Doesn't matter if he's athiest or not, he has every much of the right as you do to post his opinion. I hope you really are a clost homosexual. Or just get raped by some guy. Then live with it. Also you just fucking contradicted yourself, asshat. First you say you don't hate them. Then you say that what they do and how the live their life is immoral and sinful. In the eyes of a christian, and via the eyes of followers of the old testement anywhere, sinning is bad and the people who do it are to be cast out of society and shunned, as they are bad. I fucking hate you.


EDIT: As for what Angryfemme said, if you say that you only pick and choose parts of the bible you worship, stop typing. Come find me and suck my dick, really. That's about all you're worth at that point.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by napoleon_complex

http://www.reuters.com/article/world...67470620070417

Personally, I would agree with the archbishop. It would be paradoxical for a christian to believe that the New Testament has anti-homosexual sentiments in it. It just doesn't make sense when you examine other quotes in the New Testament about loving one's neighbor.

Any thoughts from the conservative christians on the board(and others in general)?

I don't necessarily believe that loving one's neighbour necessarily means approving of his sexual exploits. Paul is fairly unambiguous when he says "homosexual offenders" will not see the Kingdom of God (1 Cor. 6:9,10). That isn't exactly a cuddly scripture for the gay lobby when it comes to Christianity. For Jews, God describes homosexual acts as an "abomination" (Lev. 18:22). Again, it's fairly clear that the disposition of the Bible is against the practice. Since I would imagine that relatively few of the religious people on this board are affiliated with the Church of England, I don't really see how the Arch-Bishop's stances on anything are of any great consequence. His argument that the main thrust of Paul's illustration in 1st Corinthians is to warn against being self-righteous towards sinners is interesting, but even if we accept it as true, Paul is still citing "homosexual offenders" as sinners before whom, by his interpretation, Christians should not be self-righteous. Since no Christian I know of would take umbrage with the contention that they shouldn't be self-righteous, I don't see how the Christians on this board should view this statement as anything other than a rhetorical smokescreen for political correctness sake. The Bible, both the Christian and Jewish parts, holds homosexuality as sinful, that nobody should be self-righteous (because naturally, and especially under Christian doctrine, nobody is perfect) does not detract from that fact, and the Christian prerogative to humbly but firmly rebuke their fellow applies to homosexuals as well.

[napoleon_complex]

I think you're missing the principle point of the article though, and that is that judging one's sexuality is not our place, it's God's.

"Williams said these lines were "for the majority of modern readers the most important single text in Scripture on the subject of homosexuality." But right after that passage, Paul warns readers not to condemn those who ignore God's word.

"At whatever point you judge the other, you are condemning yourself," wrote Paul, the first-century apostle whose epistles, or letters, to early Christian communities elaborated many Church teachings."

That, I think, is the sentiment the article is trying to express.

I probably wasn't very clear in my first post.

When I say paradoxical, I mean, considering how much time the New Testament spends on the "judge not lest ye be judged" theme, it would be paradoxical for anyone, including christians, to use the bible, or more specifically the New Testament, as support for the villification of homosexuals. Whether this be in the form of preventing gays from marrying, or just being so homophobic that no gay would feel safe near you.

[jackketch]

I would say that Williams and some here need to read on a bit further.

You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge the other, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things. 2Now we know that God's judgment against those who do such things is based on truth. 3So when you, a mere man, pass judgment on them and yet do the same things, do you think you will escape God's judgment?

So paul isn't condemning the condemnation of others but hypocrisy.

And Paul even goes on to say that God will judge those who indulge in such acts.Its fairly clear that Williams is just trying to get out of the hole the CoE has dug for itself.

When the CoE allowed the ordination of women it set itself up theologically for all this kind of politically correct nonsense and possible schism.

[Masta Thief]

Originally Posted by turkeysandwich

What give's YOU the RIGHT to prevent a bond between to people who are deeply in love. And just because the OP is an athiest, doesn't mean he can't agree. A man posted an arguement. The OP agreed with him. Doesn't matter if he's athiest or not, he has every much of the right as you do to post his opinion. I hope you really are a clost homosexual. Or just get raped by some guy. Then live with it. Also you just fucking contradicted yourself, asshat. First you say you don't hate them. Then you say that what they do and how the live their life is immoral and sinful. In the eyes of a christian, and via the eyes of followers of the old testement anywhere, sinning is bad and the people who do it are to be cast out of society and shunned, as they are bad. I fucking hate you.


EDIT: As for what Angryfemme said, if you say that you only pick and choose parts of the bible you worship, stop typing. Come find me and suck my dick, really. That's about all you're worth at that point.

hahahahah!!! your a fucking retard! I didnt contradict myself, we dont cast out sinners, what mental hospital do you reside in? Everyone is a sinner its human nature you douchebag! the only person who wasnt was Jesus!

WOW PEOPLE SHUT YOUR FUCKING MOUTHS!!! YOUR RETARDEDNESS IS AMAZING! JUST SHUT THE HELL UP BEFORE YOU EMBARRES YOURSELF EVEN MORE!!!

[jackketch]

Originally Posted by Masta Thief

hahahahah!!! your a fucking retard! I didnt contradict myself, we dont cast out sinners, what mental hospital do you reside in? Everyone is a sinner its human nature you douchebag! the only person who wasnt was Jesus!

WOW PEOPLE SHUT YOUR FUCKING MOUTHS!!! YOUR RETARDEDNESS IS AMAZING! JUST SHUT THE HELL UP BEFORE YOU EMBARRES YOURSELF EVEN MORE!!!

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