you will be rewarded by god for being illogical?

[Obscura]

It doesn't make sense to me. There is no logical reason to subscribe to a religion. So why would god reward those who just go with the crowd and out of a neurotic fear of death and hell follow a doctrine set forth by a religion and worship the god, and punish those who use logic? It just seems like a bunch of mental masturbation to me and a once powerful and useful political tool.

[Pilsu]

What do you stand to lose?

[fallinghouse]

What does 'logical reason' mean anyway? And why is a logical reason better than an illogical one?

[Surak]

Originally Posted by Pilsu

What do you stand to lose?

That's called Pascal's Wager, and it's long since been refuted. Look it up.

[Ressotami]

Originally Posted by Pilsu

What do you stand to lose?

My fucking precious time. I only have a measly 60-80 years. IF I'M LUCKY.

I don't want to waste my life subscribing to a set of idiotic beliefs.

[Twisted_Ferret]

Originally Posted by fallinghouse

What does 'logical reason' mean anyway? And why is a logical reason better than an illogical one?

A "logical reason" is a reason that is valid; i.e., the reason works with the action. It would be logical to eat an apple when you are starving, for instance, but to eat an apple for the purpose of eating an orange is not logical - the action does not follow from the given reason.

A logical reason is better because, as we see, illogical reasons do not bring about the desired results. Assuming it's not better, though, you're still left with a problem: why is an illogical reason better? Why is God rewarding illogic as opposed to logic? Are the insane beloved of God? I think it gets much more problematic than that - for instance, why is the world logical then, or why does God bother with logic in the Bible - but I hope you see my point.

[MR.Kitty55]

Originally Posted by fallinghouse

What does 'logical reason' mean anyway? And why is a logical reason better than an illogical one?

...Because it makes sense....

and in response to the orginial post, you made shitty points. According to what you said I should start doing crack b/c the majority doesnt do it. Its ok to follow a crowd if its the right thing. What religion says is that it's the right thing so everyone should follow it. However this is shit and should be ignored. Your problem is your ignoring religion for the wrong reason.

[Pilsu]

Originally Posted by Surak

That's called Pascal's Wager, and it's long since been refuted. Look it up.

I know. And one can't choose to believe either, it's like choosing to love

Makes me wonder why I even said that, it has nothing to do with the thread when you think of it

God rewards belief because.. he doesn't need a fucking reason, God's a kid with a frog and a rock, he doesn't need a reason to smash the frog into a paste if he feels like it. None of it makes sense and it's not made to make sense. Just ignore it until you die, keeps you sane

[Obscura]

Originally Posted by MR.Kitty55

...Because it makes sense....

and in response to the orginial post, you made shitty points. According to what you said I should start doing crack b/c the majority doesnt do it. Its ok to follow a crowd if its the right thing. What religion says is that it's the right thing so everyone should follow it. However this is shit and should be ignored. Your problem is your ignoring religion for the wrong reason.

You say I make shitty points and then come at me with this garbage? When did I ever say that the majority of people being part of a religion is a reason for not being part of it? Also, a more accurate analogy would be you shouldn't smoke cigarettes/huff gasoline/what ever just because everyone else is doing it and it feels good. I wasn't even trying to make points. I was asking a question regarding something that doesn't make sense to me when it comes to religion. I believe you are either a moron or smoking crack cocaine.

[Rizzo in a box]

Logic leaves you cold and with no meaning to anything. Faith brings you everything.

I have witnessed it first hand. You have to if you want to understand it.