christian paradox

[house]

next time you see one of those christians, ESPECIALLY Jehovah's witnesses at your door, point this out


god is present everywhere correct?
they will reply yes

so god is in hell right?
um no i dont know they will reply


well then hell simply cant exist if god isn't present there
yeah i guess he is there


so that means god watches innocent people suffer. it says somewhere in that fictitious book the bible, that if you never heard about god or jesus that on judgment day you go to heaven cause you were ignorant. well would if someone led a very moral and good life, never did any outrageous sins but just chose not to believe in jesus. they go to hell for not accepting him. that pretty much shows how sick and twisted god is if he really lets things like that happen.



edit: shit someone move this to my god can beat the shit out of your god im kinda half baked

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[boozehound420]

never heard that one before. I'll try and remember it. Christians dont seem to care that there idea of god is a evil twisted fuck with less moral then your average person (his creation). It just goes in one ear out the other.

[JesuitArtiste]

Originally Posted by house

next time you see one of those christians, ESPECIALLY Jehovah's witnesses at your door, point this out


god is present everywhere correct?
they will reply yes

so god is in hell right?
um no i dont know they will reply


well then hell simply cant exist if god isn't present there
yeah i guess he is there

How is this a paradox? If God is omnipresent, then yes, he'd have a presence in hell. I don't understand, what does this prove abouit God?

so that means god watches innocent people suffer. it says somewhere in that fictitious book the bible, that if you never heard about god or jesus that on judgment day you go to heaven cause you were ignorant. well would if someone led a very moral and good life, never did any outrageous sins but just chose not to believe in jesus. they go to hell for not accepting him. that pretty much shows how sick and twisted god is if he really lets things like that happen.



edit: shit someone move this to my god can beat the shit out of your god im kinda half baked

So... God goes to Hell, typically the place that bad people go, and then watches innoncent people be tortured. Now that's a paradox.

Our interpretations of what it takes to get to hell are differant so I can't really argue much besides my opinion that getting put in hell isn't just people who don't believe in God all their lives, but ones who feel no remorse for the bad things they've done and so on.

And, to be fair, Boozehound if I told you God was higly moral and incredibly good being, let's face it, you'd call bullshit on me. You're not that much differant.

[house]

Originally Posted by JesuitArtiste

How is this a paradox? If God is omnipresent, then yes, he'd have a presence in hell. I don't understand, what does this prove abouit God?




So... God goes to Hell, typically the place that bad people go, and then watches innoncent people be tortured. Now that's a paradox.

Our interpretations of what it takes to get to hell are differant so I can't really argue much besides my opinion that getting put in hell isn't just people who don't believe in God all their lives, but ones who feel no remorse for the bad things they've done and so on.

And, to be fair, Boozehound if I told you God was higly moral and incredibly good being, let's face it, you'd call bullshit on me. You're not that much differant.

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the reason its a paradox is because you dont even have to mention god going to hell and watching innocents tortured, gods omnipresence and his presence in hell is bad enough, they go about their worship of god for years and it is shocking to them when you bring them to this realization, that god is in hell right now in order for him and hell to exist.

[Rizzo in a box]

There is no paradox, you're making stuff up and then going, "SEE? I was right!"

You are in Hell because you choose to be, you are not innocent. Hell is a reflection of a shadow of Heaven, created by the minds of men for them to dwell in their own sins until they wake up and smash their creation.

[VD+MA]

"the reason its a paradox is because you dont even have to mention god going to hell and watching innocents tortured, gods omnipresence and his presence in hell is bad enough, they go about their worship of god for years and it is shocking to them when you bring them to this realization, that god is in hell right now in order for him and hell to exist."

The doctrinal Christian belief on hell is the absence of God. Whoever said that because God is omnipresent he has to be everywhere? No, he CAN be everywhere, but if the proper Christian doctrine is adhered to, and granted by now this could have changed, but I am going by early church doctrine, then Hell is a place where the Lord has refused to be present. It would be rediculous if God HAD to be everywhere at once, not that he couldn't do that, but that he doesnt have to. If indeed you are talking about the Christian God here, which would be the same God that made freewill, which would be in his image. Therefore God must have freewill and is certainly not contained by a word. This is not an attack so much as a correction, but maybe I have interpreted what you are saying wrongly, so please tell me if I have. If I have not, please provide an explanation for the reasoning you have come to. Thank you.

[Bearcat]

I'm pretty sure that the ideas of heaven and hell are a bit skewed by the KJV of the Bible. I think the Pope even said something to that extent, but i don't know where the article is. He basically said that hell isn't actually a fiery lake, that was just a metaphor. Its actually a place where god's love cannot be found, and the non-believers and others doomed to it realize just how powerful His love is, etc...

And perhaps God doesn't have to be in hell because it isn't a place on the physical plane. The books of the Bible don't say much about the afterlife, other than that it will either be very good or very bad.
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[chumpion]

I heard one the other day.

Ask a Christian if Jesus's lineage could be traced back to King David through Joseph. They say yes.

Ask them if this was prophecised in the Old Testament. Again they say yes.

Then ask them if it was a virgin birth. Again the answer is yes.

Then ask them to think about what they just said. WTF does Joseph's lineage have to do with Jesus if Joseph wasn't his father?

[SAMMY249]

Originally Posted by chumpion

I heard one the other day.

Ask a Christian if Jesus's lineage could be traced back to King David through Joseph. They say yes.

Ask them if this was prophecised in the Old Testament. Again they say yes.

Then ask them if it was a virgin birth. Again the answer is yes.

Then ask them to think about what they just said. WTF does Joseph's lineage have to do with Jesus if Joseph wasn't his father?

It has something to do with Jewish tradition although God was the father the acknowledged (Earthly, leagal) father was Joseph.

This may help a little http://www.desiringgod.org/ResourceL...s_Grandfather/