Abiogenesis

[Rolloffle]

So to all you atheists:

Why do you believe that life was spontaniously created from unliving matter, despite the fact that this has never been observed or done in a lab?

[Real.PUA]

Because it is a plausible explanation.

[---Beany---]

Originally Posted by Real.PUA

Because it is a plausible explanation.

You forgot to say what the explanation was.

[CatharticWeek]

Life is a reaction that uses energy stored as matter.
I think of it as a pile of kindling lighting when exposed to enough heat.
Simply put. Just because we don't understand the conditions that spark life doesn't mean that it is impossible.

[Martini]

Atheism is a lack of belief in god. This lack of belief says nothing of life coming from non-life. Abiogenisis is being studied by some of the worlds best bio-chemists, but because we do not have a definite answer does not mean "god" automatically becomes the correct answer.

Even if atheism weren't true, life would still have to come from non-life. The nature of the information continuum forces abiogenesis upon us. If God snapped his fingers and created the proto cells which started evolution ex nihilo, that is still life from non life.

---Beany---, if you want explanations of how abiogenesis would work, check out the link below.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis

The Miller-Urey experiment is quite compelling.

The experiment used water (H2O), methane (CH4), ammonia (NH3) and hydrogen (H2). The chemicals were all sealed inside a sterile array of glass tubes and flasks connected together in a loop, with one flask half-full of liquid water and another flask containing a pair of electrodes. The liquid water was heated to induce evaporation, sparks were fired between the electrodes to simulate lightning through the atmosphere and water vapor, and then the atmosphere was cooled again so that the water could condense and trickle back into the first flask in a continuous cycle

At the end of one week of continuous operation Miller and Urey observed that as much as 10-15% of the carbon within the system was now in the form of organic compounds. Two percent of the carbon had formed amino acids, including 13 of the 22 that are used to make proteins in living cells, with glycine as the most abundant. Sugars, lipids, and some of the building blocks for nucleic acids were also formed. Nucleic acids (DNA, RNA) themselves were not formed. As observed in all consequent experiments, both left-handed (L) and right-handed (D) optical isomers were created in a racemic mixture.

The molecules produced were simple organic molecules, far from a complete living biochemical system, but the experiment established that the hypothetical processes could produce some building blocks of life without requiring life to synthesize them first.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller-Urey_experiment

Does anything I quoted prove that that God/gods aren't responsible? Of course not. But as Real.PUA stated, it is a plausible explanation and IMHO is infinitely better than deciding that if we can't create complex life in a lab with our limited knowledge, "God did it" is a reasonable explanation. People have been using that explanation for millennium to describe how rain water dries up and disappears and "new" rain water is created, how the Sun goes across our seemingly flat Earth from the East and does so again the next morning without going back across in the opposite direction, etc. There's a pattern of things with seemingly miraculous explanations actually having scientific, non-miraculous explanations. Rolloffle probably would have rolled his eyes a short time ago at those who didn't believe in God when they couldn't explain the rain cycle.

[Graemy]

because, we've got very close to taking pictures of it

http://tinyurl.com/yps8a2

there was even a Nobel prize given out in 2006 for the first baby picture of the universe.

[countdown2chaos]

zomg, why are you people so dumb? why cant you jsut believe that even though if you find out how everything was created, why cant that just be God who created it that way? who the fuck tells God how to create something? but no, when we think we're smart and figure something out in science, that just totally knocks off God? doesnt make anysense, like why do believe that because of evolution there isnt god? umm, maybe it was Gods plan to have us evolve so we know how and why things works...it's not like he's keeping science a secret, we just havent done everything yet, science isnt suppost to push us away from God. i just find science as proof of God, seeing how nothing cant come from nothing and something had to come up w/ this idea of life. therfore. GOD.

[niohex]

Originally Posted by countdown2chaos

zomg, why are you people so dumb? why cant you jsut believe that even though if you find out how everything was created, why cant that just be God who created it that way? who the fuck tells God how to create something? but no, when we think we're smart and figure something out in science, that just totally knocks off God? doesnt make anysense, like why do believe that because of evolution there isnt god? umm, maybe it was Gods plan to have us evolve so we know how and why things works...it's not like he's keeping science a secret, we just havent done everything yet, science isnt suppost to push us away from God. i just find science as proof of God, seeing how nothing cant come from nothing and something had to come up w/ this idea of life. therfore. GOD.

There is a difference between God and God's will....If you want to say God wanted us to evolve or he created the big bang, then fine.

But that rules out most popular religion.

[countdown2chaos]

Originally Posted by niohex

There is a difference between God and God's will....If you want to say God wanted us to evolve or he created the big bang, then fine.

But that rules out most popular religion.

yeah? i dont that. i just call it ignorance and arrogance to both atheisist and deep religious believers. the bible n qur'ran n torah never specifically say how anything was done, just that it was.

[Martini]

Originally Posted by countdown2chaos

zomg, why are you people so dumb?

Because God made us that way?

Originally Posted by countdown2chaos

why cant you jsut believe that even though if you find out how everything was created, why cant that just be God who created it that way?

Why can't you just believe that we are all an experiment by Xenu? Why can't you just believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster?

Originally Posted by countdown2chaos

who the fuck tells God how to create something? but no, when we think we're smart and figure something out in science, that just totally knocks off God?

We don't need to figure out how to do anything or figure out how anything happened to be without belief in God/gods. Most atheists in my experience are without belief because there is zero evidence for such a being, just as you are probably without a belief in flying pigs for the same reason.

Originally Posted by countdown2chaos

doesnt make anysense, like why do believe that because of evolution there isnt god?

See above.

Originally Posted by countdown2chaos

umm, maybe it was Gods plan to have us evolve so we know how and why things works...it's not like he's keeping science a secret, we just havent done everything yet,

Umm, or maybe it works the same way without your invisible sky fairy?

Originally Posted by countdown2chaos

science isnt suppost to push us away from God.

Science is supposed to have us believe in things for rational reasons and believe in extraordinary things only when backed by extraordinary evidence. There is none for God.

Originally Posted by countdown2chaos

i just find science as proof of God, seeing how nothing cant come from nothing and something had to come up w/ this idea of life. therfore. GOD.

Doesn't sound like you understand much about science at all.