why athiesm is wrong

vagabondtramp · #1 2007-07-03, 06:10

here's the main arguement for atheism: there is no proof that god exists, therefore, god does not exist.

this is wrong.

yes, there is no real proof of god, but that doesn't mean there is no chance of him existing.

say if there was a man who murdered another man. you see this happen, and when it's taken to court, they can't punish him, because there isn't enough 'proof'.

that doesn't make the man any less of a murderer.

it's the same with god. if he existed, but there was no proof, that doesn't make him stop existing.

if you've got any questions or arguements against this, post away and i'll try to answer them.

*edit* for the record, i don't believe in god or anything, just the possibility of him existing

xray · #2 2007-07-03, 06:27

We've done this over and over again. What you claimed is the main argument for atheism is wrong. It goes like this:

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Positing that there is an all knowing all all powerful being that exists, with no evidence whatsoever, is an extraordinary claim with zero evidence to back it up.

Atheists are generally skeptical people and don't believe in the existence of extraordinary things without evidence. That doesn't mean these things don't exist, just that there's no reason to believe in them in lieu of evidence. We don't claim "there is no proof that god exists, therefore, god does not exist". We acknowledge that there are countless things that exist that we do not yet have evidence for. When there is reliable evidence that there is an asteroid in a certain place in space, we generally believe it. When someone claims that asteroid exists in that place with no evidence whatsoever, we generally won't believe it.

vagabondtramp · #3 2007-07-03, 06:35

those kind of athiests are not the one's i'm talking about.

there are a bunch of people on this site that believe that there is absolutely no chance of there being a god.

i just didn't have any other term to call those people. if there is one let me know please, and i'll edit it.

xray · #4 2007-07-03, 06:57

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Originally Posted by vagabondtramp

those kind of athiests are not the one's i'm talking about.

Of course not.

You claimed "the main argument for atheism" is "there is no proof that god exists, therefore, god does not exist".

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Originally Posted by vagabondtramp

there are a bunch of people on this site that believe that there is absolutely no chance of there being a god.

Why would they use what you claim in the OP is the main argument for atheism? Even "those atheists" do not think that things that there are no evidence for don't exist. They would also acknowledge that there are countless things that exist that we do not yet have evidence for.

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Originally Posted by vagabondtramp

i just didn't have any other term to call those people. if there is one let me know please, and i'll edit it.

Some would define a "hard atheist" as one who asserts that no deities exists, but one who asserts no deities exist doesn't necessarily think "there is absolutely no chance of there being a god ".

I assert that the Earth is spherical, but I wouldn't say there is no chance that I'm wrong.

xray · #5 2007-07-03, 06:59

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Originally Posted by vagabondtramp

if there is one let me know please, and i'll edit it.

Please don't edit earlier posts now that we've gone this far. It makes it harder for everyone to follow the discussion as it's happened.

Prometheum · #6 2007-07-03, 07:04

Woo he managed to make a straw man that still phails. Stop feeding the troll.

vagabondtramp · #7 2007-07-03, 07:06

^^you might not, but some people think that there is no chance. those are the people i'm talking about.

there are a lot of athiests that believe that there is a chance of god existing. i realize that.

i wrote the above for the ones that don't.

vagabondtramp · #8 2007-07-03, 07:09

i won't edit the post, but for the first post realize that i'm not talking about ALL atheists.

vagabondtramp · #9 2007-07-03, 07:12

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Originally Posted by Prometheum

Woo he managed to make a straw man that still phails. Stop feeding the troll.

why does my arguement fail? it makes perfect sense.

xray · #10 2007-07-03, 07:26

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Originally Posted by vagabondtramp

^^you might not, but some people think that there is no chance. those are the people i'm talking about.

And as I replied, even "those atheists" would never use what you called the main argument for atheism. Even the hardest atheist wouldn't say "there is no proof that god exists, therefore, god does not exist". I dare you to find me one cite of an atheist using that argument.

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Originally Posted by vagabondtramp

there are a lot of athiests that believe that there is a chance of god existing. i realize that.

i wrote the above for the ones that don't.

Do you believe it's possible that flying pink dildos exist? (Serious question.)