Are Atheism and Religion totally irreconciable?

[Man-Erg]

An interesting thought just occured to me. I imagine that when people think of Atheism and Religion, they can't really see how they could go together.

According to most religions, the central god-figure is what caused everything to come into existence. Now, if "God" caused everything to exist, then he obviously couldn't have existed. Now, if we define existence as anything which has to obey certain physical laws, then wouldn't it stand to reason that something non-existent doesn't have to obey these laws?

So there you go. We now have a deity who is able to create a rock so large he isn't able to lift it, then go ahead and lift it, simply by virtue of his non-existence! Not to mention we also have a universe which doesn't have to worry about proving how an existing "God" could be.

[Scraff]

Originally Posted by Man-Erg

Now, if "God" caused everything to exist, then he obviously couldn't have existed.

Correct.

Originally Posted by Man-Erg

Now, if we define existence as anything which has to obey certain physical laws

No. If "something" exists, then it exists whether it breaks our known physical laws or not.

Originally Posted by Man-Erg

then wouldn't it stand to reason that something non-existent doesn't have to obey these laws?

Scientific laws aren't 'obeyed' like legal laws. Why would you have to worry about something non-existent obeying laws? Makes no sense. Are you saying you believe in God yet He doesn't exist?

Originally Posted by Man-Erg

he isn't able to lift it, then go ahead and lift it

Think about what you just said.

Originally Posted by Man-Erg

simply by virtue of his non-existence!

Think about that too.

Originally Posted by Man-Erg

Not to mention we also have a universe which doesn't have to worry about proving how an existing "God" could be.

Of course something incapable of worrying doesn't worry.

[Lord. Better Than You]

You're forgetting the atheistic religions.

[Q777]

There are Godless variants of Buddhism.

[easeoflife22]

God is Real, but only in the minds of crazy religious people.

[Obbe]

Originally Posted by easeoflife22

God is Real, but only in the minds of crazy religious people.

GARBLE GARBLE, I am the Son of the Holy Father, GARBLE GARBLE!

[unluckymoney]

man i bet chuck norris could beat up this god guy

[Nihilist]

lol.

the argument that he created existence, so where did he come from? as a rebuttal to the possibility of a god shows limited intellect. quite simply, its could be said with reason that something else existed before our universe did. but thats just a minor matter.

im not too concerned myself about everything melding together, because with 6 billion ppl itll never happen. im far more interested in, and concerned with, peaceful, respectful cohabitation. intolerance is the root of the problem, and theres enough to go around to every POV.

hating and obsessing cant be that happy of a life, can it?

[Anirak]

Originally Posted by Q777

There are Godless variants of Buddhism.

I'm almost certain buddhists do not believe in a creator god.

Anirak

[Rolloffle]

Your logic is completely retarded, obviously God exists. God created everything -- except himself.

God has always existed, so he doesn't need to be "created" and can never be destroyed. (Revelation 1:8)

You can know God exists because his creations are everywhere and the book he wrote (the bible) has been correct with all of it's predictions so far, and will be correct for all of the predictions that haven't yet come to pass.

Romans 1:18-20
The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.