The Original Sin

[FreedomHippie]

This is a question I had for such a long time and I'd like to see what everyone thinks about it. So in the bible it says god created all the plants on earth, including the apple tree that eventually created the original sin from adam and eve eating the fruit. Now the thing that I want to know is why would god create something if its only purpose was to be forbidden?

[Obbe]

I don't think it was actually an apple, it was the fruit of a tree that apparently not around anymore.

Either way, not that I believe in the story, but I've always wondered why human females are the only creatures on earth known to have such a regular menstrual cycle.

[FreedomHippie]

Originally Posted by Obbe

I don't think it was actually an apple, it was the fruit of a tree that apparently not around anymore.

Either way, not that I believe in the story, but I've always wondered why human females are the only creatures on earth known to have such a regular menstrual cycle.

Haha im not sure how that really relates to my question, or if it does at all, but even if it was some unknown fruit that no longer exist, its still the same basic question.

[nshanin]

Originally Posted by FreedomHippie

This is a question I had for such a long time and I'd like to see what everyone thinks about it. So in the bible it says god created all the plants on earth, including the apple tree that eventually created the original sin from adam and eve eating the fruit. Now the thing that I want to know is why would god create something if its only purpose was to be forbidden?

Christianity/Judaism are two VERY fucked up religions. You'll get Christians here that will say "Adam & Eve had free will; it was their choice, etc.", but in the end, it's highly illogical and immoral for a god to do such a cruel thing.

The answer? Christianity and Judaism are false.

[FreedomHippie]

Originally Posted by nshanin

Christianity/Judaism are two VERY fucked up religions. You'll get Christians here that will say "Adam & Eve had free will; it was their choice, etc.", but in the end, it's highly illogical and immoral for a god to do such a cruel thing.

The answer? Christianity and Judaism are false.

Well i deff agree there i mean its proven that there was no adam and eve and that we evolved, im just curious how they would answer that

[nshanin]

Originally Posted by FreedomHippie

Well i deff agree there i mean its proven that there was no adam and eve and that we evolved, im just curious how they would answer that

Rolloffle should be here any second now. But most of the arguments are based on free will; my question is why would God punish us for sins our forefathers commited?

[FreedomHippie]

Originally Posted by nshanin

Rolloffle should be here any second now. But most of the arguments are based on free will; my question is why would God punish us for sins our forefathers commited?

I can understand that adam and eve had the choice to eat it or not but it was the serpent who first talked them into it. Again, wouldnt god have known the serpent would talk adam and eve into it. It just seems like god set mankind up to fail, but im more interested in why god created the fruit in the first place.

[Kazz]

Like nshanin stated... the reason this paradox is even comprehensible is because it takes place solely in a fictional account. It never really happened. (Although it scares me you say that evolution has been proven.)

Original sin is something that has most definitely been ingrained on the human psyche and human psychological health over the past two thousand years. It's something we've been taught to accept in ourselves... it is something the Christians (consciously or not) invented in order to breed Christianity. To keep people in such unhealthy self denial that they cannot exist without "God's grace". This is another one of my major problems with Christianity.

A long quote that I think applies, the conclusion to Friedrich Nietzsche's "Antichrist":

--With this I come to a conclusion and pronounce my judgment. I condemn Christianity; I bring against the Christian church the most terrible of all the accusations that an accuser has ever had in his mouth. It is, to me, the greatest of all imaginable corruptions; it seeks to work the ultimate corruption, the worst possible corruption. The Christian church has left nothing untouched by its depravity; it has turned every value into worthlessness, and every truth into a lie, and every integrity into baseness of soul. Let any one dare to speak to me of its "humanitarian" blessings! Its deepest necessities range it against any effort to abolish distress; it lives by distress; it creates distress to make itself immortal. . . . For example, the worm of sin: it was the church that first enriched mankind with this misery!--The "equality of souls before God"--this fraud, this pretext for the rancunes of all the base-minded--this explosive concept, ending in revolution, the modern idea, and the notion of overthrowing the whole social order--this is Christian dynamite. . . . The "humanitarian" blessings of Christianity forsooth! To breed out of humanitas a self-contradiction, an art of self-pollution, a will to lie at any price, an aversion and contempt for all good and honest instincts! All this, to me, is the "humanitarianism" of Christianity!--Parasitism as the only practice of the church; with its anaemic and "holy" ideals, sucking all the blood, all the love, all the hope out of life; the beyond as the will to deny all reality; the cross as the distinguishing mark of the most subterranean conspiracy ever heard of,--against health, beauty, well-being, intellect, kindness of soul--against life itself. . . .

This eternal accusation against Christianity I shall write upon all walls, wherever walls are to be found--I have letters that even the blind will be able to see. . . . I call Christianity the one great curse, the one great intrinsic depravity, the one great instinct of revenge, for which no means are venomous enough, or secret, subterranean and small enough,--I call it the one immortal blemish upon the human race. . . .

And mankind reckons time from the dies nefastus when this fatality befell--from the first day of Christianity!--Why not rather from its last?--From today?--The transvaluation of all values! . . .

I think it applies.


EDIT: If you're interested in more regarding this kind of thing... you should check out my thread here in MGCBTSOOYG.

[Obbe]

Originally Posted by FreedomHippie

Haha im not sure how that really relates to my question, or if it does at all, but even if it was some unknown fruit that no longer exist, its still the same basic question.

Oh, uh...

yeah. I just don't believe that.

Why would God make crap like that? Why not?

All possibilities are contained within God.

[FreedomHippie]

Originally Posted by Kazz

(Although it scares me you say that evolution has been proven.)

Why is that?

Originally Posted by Obbe

Oh, uh...

yeah. I just don't believe that.

Why would God make crap like that? Why not?

All possibilities are contained within God.

Well no i deff agree that there is nothing that would be impossible and anything is surely possible when it comes to god. Im not really asking why it was created, but why its purpose was, if eaten, to create all sin.