So why is Lucifer a baddie again?

[Agent 008]

Seriously. All he did was get pissed with God's ways of doing things and his authoritarian tendencies and decided to give humans knowledge, and he was kicked out of Heavens and made the baddie of all baddies.

That makes no sense.

I think we should stop listening to God's propaganda (and obviously he would want to bash Lucifer and make himself look good in it), and think for ourselves. We're not getting any Lucifer's points of view in the Bible now, are we? Whatever happened to freedom of speech?

[Thunderhammer]

Because lucifer is too much of a motherfucker to have disciples - i assume.

[Jove]

It gets weirder when you think of the tower of Babel. They were all of one mind and nothing could have stood in their way, so god screwed them over. Or in Eden when they discovered right and wrong, god screwed them over. It seems that if you get a little knowledge or become somewhat independent you get smacked....

[Ratbert]

Isn't satan's translation mean, the nemesis, or something like that? Not evil?





Minions Attack!

[Lord. Better Than You]

Satan WILL win.

And the book of revelations?

HA! That's just God's smack talk.

"Hey, God, we're getting annoyed at Satan...what you gonna do about it?"

"Err...yeah...I'll kick his ass...don't worry"

"Ok...when?"

"On...er...judgment day"

"Ok...when's that?"

"Errr.......666....errrr......1000 years....yeah...*cough*....don't worry"

[Agent 008]

Originally Posted by Ratbert

Isn't satan's translation mean, the nemesis, or something like that? Not evil?

As far as I remember, Lucifer means "bringer of light".

One day I should start a business in Electricity and call it Lucifer.

[Jove]

Originally Posted by Agent 008

As far as I remember, Lucifer means "bringer of light".

One day I should start a business in Electricity and call it Lucifer.

We get "Lucifer" from Isaiah 14:12 where "morning star" is translated as such. Of course Jesus is called "the bright Morning Star" in Revelation 22:16....

Food for thought....

[Agent 008]

Originally Posted by Jove

We get "Lucifer" from Isaiah 14:12 where "morning star" is translated as such. Of course Jesus is called "the bright Morning Star" in Revelation 22:16....

Food for thought....

In Revelation 22:16, Jesus is also called "root".

More food for thought!

[Jove]

Originally Posted by Agent 008

In Revelation 22:16, Jesus is also called "root".

More food for thought!

LOL...

[Kazz]

Originally Posted by Jove

We get "Lucifer" from Isaiah 14:12 where "morning star" is translated as such. Of course Jesus is called "the bright Morning Star" in Revelation 22:16....

Food for thought....

Um, sort of... but not really.

Lucifer dates back to the Romans (even further actually to the Greeks, but they called him something else). He was the God of the morning and evening star, and he was the bearer of light. I find this kind of funny, because when one thinks of the "bearer of light", it tends to make a lot of connections to things like understanding and knowledge... intellect etc. It has a very very positive connotation.

I think one of the biggest and most under rated arguments against the accuracy of Christianity (or I should say, the Abrahamic faiths) is the OBVIOUS clash in characters/stories with the Roman gods, popular at the onset of Judaism. These religions borrow SO much from classical mythology... they incorporate SO much from a system of beliefs that have become true fiction and complete silliness to humans today. The last remaining Roman gods, are the ones preserved in Christianity. If one reads into the classics, it becomes ridiculous how often you run across stories that preceded the bible... that the old testament incorporates. Check out Ovid's metamorphoses.

Also, I think it says something about where these newer faith's moralities lie, when you notice facts such as "Lucifer" the "bearer of light"... being thrown out of heaven.

I'm no expert on this, or ancient biblical text or anything along those lines... This is just what I've interpreted from reading various classics.