a few questions about jesus

crazy maniac · #1 2007-09-16, 02:16

why do christians insist on calling their prophet "jesus" even though, according to the greek/roman texts the guy's name was pronounced something along the lines of "EE-sous". sure, its not the name, its what he taught that is most important, but why do they insist on knowingly bastardizing their prophet's name? having asked this question in another forum, i was told that the name "jesus" was caused by someone goofing up the translation from latin. if something as important as the name of their saviour is lost in translation, could it mean that other parts of the bible are mistranslated?

also, whats the deal with wearing a cross around your neck? i doubt that when he supposedly comes back he wants to see everyone with a little replica of the instrument of his death.

FreedomHippie · #2 2007-09-16, 03:27

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also, whats the deal with wearing a cross around your neck? i doubt that when he supposedly comes back he wants to see everyone with a little replica of the instrument of his death.

Famous Bill Hicks joke, although I don't think jesus is suppose to physically come back. Although what i dont understand is he was born on christmas (proven wrong), died on good friday, and was resurrected on easter. Now if he was resurrected, where did he go after that? Why are we waiting for him to come back, when he already has?

CatharticWeek · #3 2007-09-16, 04:50

Just an error in dialect or translation I'd imagine. But that's cool. Whatever, he loves it.

As for the cross; yeah it does piss me off. To me it represents a threat "he died for you, now you must live for him or suffer for eternity", trying to make me guilty. Rather than the fish.
The symbol of eternal life and fraternity of man.

Imma stop thinking about it because it makes me sad. We always rape our profits.

socratic · #4 2007-09-16, 10:52

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Famous Bill Hicks joke, although I don't think jesus is suppose to physically come back. Although what i dont understand is he was born on christmas (proven wrong), died on good friday, and was resurrected on easter. Now if he was resurrected, where did he go after that? Why are we waiting for him to come back, when he already has?

If I remember correctly, he ascended to Heaven after speaking a bit with his closest followers about their future mission.

If I also remember correctly, Jesus isn't even a name, it means 'Saviour' or something in it's Greek and is a title. I've heard one account that his name (Anglicized) of course was Joshua. Jeshua or something would be a bit closer to the real deal.

jackketch · #5 2007-09-16, 14:55

Simple truth is that we have 'no fucking idea' (thats the scholarly term btw ) what his real name was.

Guesses, some educated and some not so, abound but like everything else to do with him there's fuck all evidence.

Infact the lack of evidence itself is strange.....

*goes back to reading the "Holy Blood and Holy Grail"*

BrokeProphet · #6 2007-09-16, 20:44

I find the continued lack of religous evidence a sign from a higher power (science) that religion is a bad practical joke.

ArgonPlasma2000 · #7 2007-09-17, 01:32

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Originally Posted by crazy maniac

why do christians insist on calling their prophet "jesus" even though, according to the greek/roman texts the guy's name was pronounced something along the lines of "EE-sous". sure, its not the name, its what he taught that is most important, but why do they insist on knowingly bastardizing their prophet's name? having asked this question in another forum, i was told that the name "jesus" was caused by someone goofing up the translation from latin. if something as important as the name of their saviour is lost in translation, could it mean that other parts of the bible are mistranslated?

I dont speak Greek, mate. If you want to make the case for mistranslation through the years hinging such an arguement on the mispronunciation of one man's name is a piss poor arguement. Regardless, Elijah was called Elias in the New Testament because of transliteration from Hebrew to Greek.

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also, whats the deal with wearing a cross around your neck? i doubt that when he supposedly comes back he wants to see everyone with a little replica of the instrument of his death.

I dont wear a cross. I dont wear any jewelery, to be honest. That is a very funny statement to say about his coming back, though.

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If I remember correctly, he ascended to Heaven after speaking a bit with his closest followers about their future mission.

If I also remember correctly, Jesus isn't even a name, it means 'Saviour' or something in it's Greek and is a title. I've heard one account that his name (Anglicized) of course was Joshua. Jeshua or something would be a bit closer to the real deal.

"Yeshua" would be its correct pronunciation. It makes little difference about what you call him because its universally understannd who you are talking about when you say "Jesus" (unless you are live in a Hispanic country where everyone and their brother is names Jesus. In which case its "jesuchristo")

ArmsMerchant · #8 2007-09-17, 19:25

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Originally Posted by FreedomHippie

Famous Bill Hicks joke, although I don't think jesus is suppose to physically come back. Although what i dont understand is he was born on christmas (proven wrong), died on good friday, and was resurrected on easter. Now if he was resurrected, where did he go after that?

Yes, and a lot of Christian mythos was lifted directly from Mithraism, which it supplanted.

And according to the Urantia Book, he spent a lot of time in India after the resurrection.

SAMMY249 · #9 2007-09-17, 21:55

Just to clear things up a bit Im tired of so many morons saying he was born on December 25th NOWHERE in the Bible does it state that (in fact there are some clues that suggest it wasnt even in winter) it was just universally set to December 25th because Christians were confused on which day to celebrate it, whether you want to argue if they set it to Mithra's birthday or whether they put it there because a cardinal said so is debatable but highly irrelevant considering its people speaking from silence.

jackketch · #10 2007-09-17, 22:29

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Just to clear things up a bit Im tired of so many morons saying he was born on December 25th NOWHERE in the Bible does it state that (in fact there are some clues that suggest it wasnt even in winter) .

I think thats the first time you've ever shown any real knowledge of the bible.