The Hell Theory

[dopeboy23]

Keep in mind that this is theoretical in nature, Just because one ponders on a theory does not mean one believes in it 100%.

Is god willing and able to stop evil?

If he's not able, he isn't truly god.

If he isn't willing, he must not be loving.

Therefore, God must not fully exist in this dimension. Is it possible, then, that we are in hell?

Before I go any further, when I say "hell" I'm not referring to the orthodox hell. Hell might basically be where god is not.

Now, could this world be merely a hell in disguise? Think of the wars, genocide, hate, suffering, depression, greed, and anger among the earth.

It is an interesting theory, I'd like to hear your thoughts.

[Real.PUA]

Epicurus + Matrix = ???

[socratic]

"When they say Christ descended into Hell, they mean that he descended to earth, this penitentiary, this madhouse and morgue of a world." - August Strindberg

[coolwestman]

That's implying god is all good and the devil is all bad. But in all actuality god encompasses everything. God doesn't make our choices; we create our own hell, we are the devil(s). Then again we are also the saints. This theory is boring.

[---Beany---]

No this world is not a hell in disguise. I have happy moments as well as unhappy ones.
The entire universe can be a hell or it can be a heaven. It's different for each individual and is determined by how much they fear and how much they love.

[AngryFemme]

Why is a Hell Theory necessary, even from a theistic standpoint?


If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?

- Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

Furthermore, why would God be willing to destroy a piece of his own creation? Why didn't he just eradicate evil to begin with? "Free will" isn't a good enough answer, because God chose to give us free will.

Or did he not have a choice, due to the fact that the propensity for evil must be present in order for good to exist? What if one cannot exist without the other, and the people who wrote about God realized this, and had no choice but to fashion the notion of free will as handed down by God in order to explain away this little impossibility that even the omnipotent God couldn't get around?

[Merlinman2005]

Allowing evil in no way means that (the nonexistent) God is not loving.

You don't know His reasons for doing such a thing.

Struggle. Faith. Hope.

What do you think a world ruled by YOUR idea of an all-loving deity would consist of? Perpetual happiness? Absolute fulfillment? What would be the point? What would we strive for? Would we even need to? In such a world, is 100 percent of the peoples getting what they want? Everything they want? Do we have free will in such a world; are WE allowed to do evil to one another?

[Hare_Geist]

Originally Posted by Merlinman2005

What do you think a world ruled by YOUR idea of an all-loving deity would consist of? Perpetual happiness? Absolute fulfillment? What would be the point?

Yeah, heaven sounds terrible.

[Merlinman2005]

Originally Posted by Hare_Geist

Yeah, heaven sounds terrible.

My point is
what would be the difference between heaven and such an earth?

What would be the point in separating them?

[Hare_Geist]

Originally Posted by Merlinman2005

My point is
what would be the difference between heaven and such an earth?

What would be the point in separating them?

I think nonbelievers should be asking you that, not vice versa.