Jew

[Ron Smythberg]

"Juden! HALT! Juden! RAUSE!"

Okay. So I have a question. Are the Jews really an evil cabal bent on world domination?

For a while I have been studying Jews. It was kind of a pet project of mine. I read countless websites, some for, some against, and some neutral (Wiki, lol). After reading so much about these people what I am left with is a feeling of resentment. Is this true? Are these people really that bad?

They come to every country, stay as long as possible leeching off the people through money-lending, until nations get so sick of them that they kick them out of the country. It has happened so many god damn times. Every civilized nation hates JEWS!

Jews now control all media. You cannot fight that point. Look at the state of media and what media is to us.

Theres many, many examples of Israeli treason and Israeli lies. The thing is that in the U.S the Jews bribe the gov so much with their acquired wealth that the gov turns the other cheek to anything that Israel does.



Okay, okay.. I know how I sound... I sound like one of "them" (Mel Gibson mug-shot photo, lol). Oh and ignore my Troll Totse screen name, I am not really a Jew in real life.

I do not want to hate Jews. I can't say I have actually met any that I like, but I really haven't met that many.

Please convince me that I am a nut-bar for thinking these things. I know that hate is baggage. I need to come to an understanding of Jews.

[dagnabitt]

As mentioned in the censorship thread, after some discussion Hare and I agree this topic has not been covered extensively in this forum and can be reopenned.

We ask only that people treat the topic with the academic respect it deserves, and not as a hate thread. Thanks.

Keep in mind you all have the power here to censor yourselves

[ignis invictus veritatis]

I think that more often than not Jews are much like any other ethnic group. I've met a lot of Jews over the years, and most of them have been very kind, down-to-earth people. It's usually only the powerful, rich, and corrupt ones who give the whole race a bad name. This is the same for almost every group of people.

[JoePedo]

Originally Posted by Ron Smythberg

Please convince me that I am a nut-bar for thinking these things.

Well, I'd start by questioning the implicit assumption that Jews comprise some sort of universally homogenous group. No other group is homogenous, how could they be?

Once one has a question as that - how could one, for instance, in intellectual honesty, blame the Jewish anti-zionist movement for the actions of Israel?

[Ron Smythberg]

What I hope to possibly get out of this thread is a kind of human understanding of the Jews. Looking in the media (mostly controlled by Jews) you get only one side of the story, looking on the internet you seem to only see the extreme opposite. I know the truth lies somewhere in the middle and I know that each side does have some truth to their argument.

I would first like to get this out of the way: -I know the average Jew on the street is not a "bad" guy.-

Right now when I look at what I know of Jewish history, I see a people stuck in a paranoid struggle. They start off getting kicked out of their own land, disperse, begin to prosper in whatever land takes them in, things are ok for awhile, then the ruler like clockwork starts getting mad at the now powerful Jewry and kicks them out. Nazis took that a step further.

Is it a Jew's paranoia of the state that causes him to infiltrate and attempt to control?

White Nationalist websites often express a belief that Jews, when they start getting power, will take measures that alienate and seem to divide up the non-Jewish white majority who technically hold most power. The more they can alienate the non-Jews the more power they acquire for themselves (according to these websites).

You look at these policies the Jews in US government support and enact (immigration, multi-culturalism, and through the media especially, a general anti-white tone) and then you take a peak over at Israel (a massive wall separating themselves with Palestine, terrible record of killing civilians, constantly trying to get the US to go to war with Iran) you can see that the philosophies aren't carried over. What is good for the US (according to Jews) is not good for Israel.

[Ron Smythberg]

Originally Posted by JoePedo

Well, I'd start by questioning the implicit assumption that Jews comprise some sort of universally homogenous group. No other group is homogenous, how could they be?

Once one has a question as that - how could one, for instance, in intellectual honesty, blame the Jewish anti-zionist movement for the actions of Israel?

These "Jews for Jesus", "Jews against Zionism", "Jews for Hitler" groups don't hold any weight and although it does technically "prove" to non-Jews that Jewry is not some single celled organism, it does little else. Wow, Joe, we all know that. But It does not answer the question, at least not enough for me, to just say "Jews are all just a bunch of unique individuals and you cannot come to any conclusions on them as a group". Fuck that. These stupid "Jews For" groups don't steer the ship of Jewry at all and if we want to come to any new understanding we cannot keep treading the same old paths with the same old wagons.

[moonmeister]

Criticism of the Stale of Israel is quite broad & open in Israel itself. It's only in the West that it is suppressed.

The Powerful are often quite similar regardless of color or religion. That doesn't mean that they work together or get along. Though they may come together for mutual benefit/profit.

"Nancy Pelosi, Speaker of the House of Representatives, goes to Israel, presumably to help celebrate the 60th anniversary of al-Nakba, but also to discuss "the threat posed by Iran" to Israel.

Do you copy? Iran does not pose a threat to us or our troops in Iraq, but – in Pelosi's view – may somehow pose a threat to Israel?"
http://www.antiwar.com/prather/?articleid=12892

"Thirty years ago, when the state of Israel had traveled only half its present journey through time since 1948, I interviewed General Matti Peled in New York. As an army general Peled had been a notably tough administrator of the Occupied Territories, but in retirement had become a dove, publicly urging his country to negotiate seriously with the Palestinians, abandon the illegal settlements, return to the ’67 borders and resolve all the other major issues obstructing a proper peace.

“What do you think will happen,” I asked the former general, “If no Israeli government ever emerges strong enough to take such a path?”

“Oh, I think we’ll end up like the Crusaders,” he answered. “It might take some time, but just like them, in the end, we’ll be gone.” "

http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn05172008.html

The Stale of Israel & it's love of Old South Africa & it's apartheid regime.

"Now the apartheid state of Israel fears it will meet the same fate from its own oppressed, and growing, Palestinian population. While Israel’s proponents continue to rhetorically claim that the Zionist state is the only bulwark against another Holocaust, its leaders also continue to openly express its true identification with South Africa’s racist regime. Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert remarked recently in the New York Times, “We now have the Palestinians running an Algeria-style campaign against Israel, but what I fear is that they will try to run a South Africa-type campaign against us.” If international sanctions are imposed as they were against apartheid, “the state of Israel is finished.”

Indeed, stripped of rhetoric, the parallels are striking. The state of Israel was enshrined as a sovereign state in 1948, the same year the white supremacist National Party came to power in South Africa. Both the Zionism and apartheid had been decades in the making, with the backing of British imperialism. Both colonial projects were designed to violently disfranchise and subjugate the indigenous majority that occupied both countries."

http://www.counterpunch.org/sharon05222008.html

[JoePedo]

Originally Posted by Ron Smythberg

These stupid "Jews For" groups don't steer the ship of Jewry

Neither does the terrorist state of Israel.

[ramoo]

Originally Posted by Ron Smythberg

You look at these policies the Jews in US government support and enact (immigration, multi-culturalism, and through the media especially, a general anti-white tone) and then you take a peak over at Israel (a massive wall separating themselves with Palestine, terrible record of killing civilians, constantly trying to get the US to go to war with Iran) you can see that the philosophies aren't carried over. What is good for the US (according to Jews) is not good for Israel.

You base your whole argument on this assumption that Jews have control over the U.S government and its governing on AMERICA. Is it because they have control of media stations like FOX and CNN? I mean shit, most of the us government consists of white fundamentalist Christians who probably cant stand jews.

And how the hell can you say a policy such as multi-culturalism is supported and enacted by Jews? This country was formed by the acceptance of others religious and cultural background (except blacks) yet you go on to say that jews pushed this? Jews my friend were not the ones fighting against the British in 1763. The idea of multiculturalism has been promoted since day 1 even though we have not really followed it.

Also you blame the jews for pushing an "anti-white" tone? what are they pushing for a pro-jew tone by talking about Israel? The only time I ever hear media outlets talk about Israel is on Fox News and maybe CNN. But guess what, those companies are owned by jews! what the fuck do you expect??? If they were owned by Iranians would you honestly expect them to talk about how they support Israel as opposed to Iran? No!


Yes the U.S supports Israel because they give us tons of money and oil control. But do you really think Jews are orchestrating some giant plan to get all Americans to support Israel? Most of America doesn't even know about the conflict there!

You wanted to talk about jews in a 'humane' way so I'll chime in.

Throughout history Jews have been awful at being able to control and defend land. So you know what they did? They said fuck land, lets control the money supply. For with money comes land. And thats exactly what happened. I hope the jews continue to fight for Israel because they don't deserve to lose another place they call home.

[Ron Smythberg]

Originally Posted by JoePedo

Neither does the terrorist state of Israel.

Who more so then Israel?

You base your whole argument on this assumption that Jews have control over the U.S government and its governing on AMERICA. Is it because they have control of media stations like FOX and CNN? I mean shit, most of the us government consists of white fundamentalist Christians who probably cant stand jews.

The Jews do have control over the U.S government. Their lobby is the biggest in the world and members of their religion take up a massively disproportionate amount of government posts. They have a ton of control, why do you think Israel is treated this way? Just out of the kindness and generosity of Bushy's heart? Come on.

Ok for the last part about Christians, I think you probably meant that alot of government members, including the president, are Evangelical Christians. This is a born-again type movement and one of their most radical, and what sets them apart from many other Christian groups is their fundamental belief in the rapture and that the Land of Israel must remain in the hands of the Jews or else these "end time" prophecies" will not go according to plan. Just look at McCain's Pastor, I believe there are some quotes of him flipping out because Israel was going to give some of it's occupied territories back.

Looking at what I just wrote down, you can see these Evangelicals are perfect for adhering to a Jewish/Zionist agenda. O yeah, and just because many figureheads are standard white Christians doesn't mean they're the real ones calling the shots. It is not necessarily in the Jew's best interests to look like they hold all power (especially in government).

And how the hell can you say a policy such as multi-culturalism is supported and enacted by Jews? This country was formed by the acceptance of others religious and cultural background (except blacks) yet you go on to say that jews pushed this? Jews my friend were not the ones fighting against the British in 1763. The idea of multiculturalism has been promoted since day 1 even though we have not really followed it.

Look up the abolishment of national origin quotas (a joint effort of Kennedy and the ADL B'nai Brith). Most importantly though look at the media. Look at how they portray Europeans, I could go into depth about the ideas that they promote but that would fill pages. The media are controlled by Jews, these ideas of multi-culturalism (or multi-racialism) are one of the media's fundamental philosophies. I am not saying I am personally against multiculturalism myself, but there seems to be some definite hypocrisy with our Multi-Racial and Cultural society, and the Hyper-Nationalist society present in Israel. It's as if they provide us with one idea they think we should follow, but when they go home they throw all that "philosophical" crap out the window and practice what they really believe.

Also you blame the jews for pushing an "anti-white" tone? what are they pushing for a pro-jew tone by talking about Israel? The only time I ever hear media outlets talk about Israel is on Fox News and maybe CNN. But guess what, those companies are owned by jews! what the fuck do you expect??? If they were owned by Iranians would you honestly expect them to talk about how they support Israel as opposed to Iran? No!

No they aren't pushing a "pro-Jew" tone. What would be point of that? They already got the power and that power ain't gonna come from people thinking your "teh k3wl". It's not like they're ever really going to say anything anti-Jewish either.

Yes the U.S supports Israel because they give us tons of money and oil control. But do you really think Jews are orchestrating some giant plan to get all Americans to support Israel? Most of America doesn't even know about the conflict there!

Ha ha, they're way past "orchestrating". Man they have the U.S by the balls... they are like a little head attached to the shoulder of the U.S. If you cannot see that the U.S are 100% in support of Israel, then it's useless for us to talk about this. Your last sentence made me laugh, do you honestly think the gov wants it's people to be informed on it's foreign affairs? Other then "we gonna get dem' evil doers"? The status quo is working in their favor.

Throughout history Jews have been awful at being able to control and defend land. So you know what they did? They said fuck land, lets control the money supply. For with money comes land. And thats exactly what happened. I hope the jews continue to fight for Israel because they don't deserve to lose another place they call home.

I am not debating this. This is probably the standard view on the Jewish situation. A big question though, is: What effect is their will having on us?