World Peace

killallthewhiteman · #1 2008-12-09, 09:08

Inner peace. This is the mechanism for peace on earth, something i'm sure everyone can agree is worth working for.

We can debate the semantics of how to achieve world peace over and over; but the fact is spiritual consciousness helps me to achieve inner-peace, how can that be a bad thing?

I would say the platform for inner-peace is insignificant, as long as people are engaged in searching for inner peace rather than looking for peace for peace beyond the self.

You can conceptualize that world peace is possible through inner-peace?

Although inner-peace is not transferred between people it is something that all people can realize; maybe an entire world were people realize this is a dream- but certainly we should be encouraging this kind of thing.

Inner-peace is the only mechanism to which world peace can be achieved, because applying an authoritarian approach to peace and life in general is the source of destruction to peace.

This is rooted in consciousness itself.

Nobody can know anothers consciousness, it is exclusive to the self.

So instead of being linear ( that is if you do not use this approach i.e. you evaluate everything based on "evidence" ) try this.

If you disagree; tell me why peace on earth would be such a bad thing?

Of course we need define what peace, inner peace and world peace and how these are linked before we come to this realization, i realize our definitions may be different.

For you atheists : I am curious as to how Atheism achieves inner peace and peace on earth.

Yes i realize religion can be a source of destruction against peace.

We should not be pushing our realization of inner-peace onto others, due to the nature of consciousness that is not possible.

We should encourage to realize inner peace within their own consciousness.

When we come to this understanding we realize that peace itself cannot be seen, tasted, touched, smelt or heard.

Therefore inner-peace and world peace is something innately spiritual; we all have our own inner peace, we know everyone is conscious even though we cannot detect it with our material senses.

ArmsMerchant · #2 2008-12-09, 19:35

A lot of fundies would call me an atheist, since I reject the narrow and meanspirited protrayal of God in the Bible. Inner peace is in no way contingent upon religion--for many, one sure way to inner peace is simply to be forgiving and accepting of others--doing so is not contingent upon belief in any deity, but it helps if one has a degree of humanistic unity consciousness, the awareness that we are all one, and that it is simply common sense to do unto others as we would have it done unto us.

Do so not in hopes of heavenly rewards (heaven is a myth) or hellish punishments (hell is also a myth), bt simply because it is the intelligent and prudent thing to do.

If everyone ( or even a slight majority) would act as if we are all one, the world would be healed overnight. There would be no more war or hunger or hatred.

killallthewhiteman · #3 2008-12-09, 20:14

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Originally Posted by ArmsMerchant

A lot of fundies would call me an atheist, since I reject the narrow and meanspirited protrayal of God in the Bible. Inner peace is in no way contingent upon religion--for many, one sure way to inner peace is simply to be forgiving and accepting of others--doing so is not contingent upon belief in any deity, but it helps if one has a degree of humanistic unity consciousness, the awareness that we are all one, and that it is simply common sense to do unto others as we would have it done unto us.

Do so not in hopes of heavenly rewards (heaven is a myth) or hellish punishments (hell is also a myth), bt simply because it is the intelligent and prudent thing to do.

If everyone ( or even a slight majority) would act as if we are all one, the world would be healed overnight. There would be no more war or hunger or hatred.

yeah i agree with that.

In summary when im talking about inner-peace im talking about understanding ontology.

If we understand our own and other ontology then we can understand there reality and our reality better.

Rather than evaluating there reality we should evaluate their ontology. But its such a difficult task; especially when no-one else is making this effort.

BrokeProphet · #4 2008-12-10, 12:17

I agree as well..........religion is not the path to world peace.

To be fair, there is no path to world peace, b/c world peace is a myth. There will always be conflict, violence and war. Someone will always want what another possesses, or disagree with another. There is no overcoming this, ever, as long as humans have free will.

killallthewhiteman · #5 2008-12-11, 11:44

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Originally Posted by BrokeProphet

I agree as well..........religion is not the path to world peace.

To be fair, there is no path to world peace, b/c world peace is a myth. There will always be conflict, violence and war. Someone will always want what another possesses, or disagree with another. There is no overcoming this, ever, as long as humans have free will.

Thank you for your constructive feedback!

I dont think world peace will ever happen either, but inner-peace is certainly feasibly and we can certainly increase the amount of peace in the world.

So if there is no overcoming this as long as humans have free will, then would removing humans free will bring peace?

That is the concept of heaven in a broad sense.

P.s BP: would you like to outline how Atheism can bring more peace to the world, or inner-peace to an individual?

BrokeProphet · #6 2008-12-12, 02:29

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Originally Posted by killallthewhiteman

P.s BP: would you like to outline how Atheism can bring more peace to the world, or inner-peace to an individual?

Atheism simply means without theism, but if more people were simply without theism.....

Perhaps we would not be engaged in a holy war.
Perhaps none of the holy wars would to have happened, and future ones averted.
Perhaps we would not have to have had relearned during the Renaissance what the church's subverted and science could have progressed much faster....meaning things like the black death need not have been as devastating.
Perhaps nobody would know what "will she float or drown" was used to determine.
Perhaps none of us would know the name of Jim Jones, or David Koresh, or future cult leaders who will do it again.
Perhaps Bush would not have been elected.
Perhaps nobody would get what a catholic priest joke about altar boys means.
Perhaps Israel and the rest of the mid-east would be prime vaction land.

Perhaps.....

Though, I wouldn't rule out the very real possibility that the vile nature of few human beings would not have found another reason for us to kill one another, so that they may profit.

I do think we would have many, many, many, many less reasons to kill each other, without religion.

I would like to find out, for sure, considering religions have had their shot at it for thousands of years and have mountians of bodies and blood on their hands to show for it.

The expression shit or get off the pot, doesn't apply, as it seems religions have already shit, and shit, and shit, and simply refuse to up the pot.

Obbe · #7 2008-12-12, 18:26

Shanti, shanti, shanti.

Hoping for peace? Optimism. Masturbation.

Accept life for what it is. A battle.

killallthewhiteman · #8 2008-12-14, 12:22

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Originally Posted by Obbe

Shanti, shanti, shanti.

Hoping for peace? Optimism. Masturbation.

Accept life for what it is. A battle.

That's a bit of a spurious generality.

I dont understand the argument against optimism?

I dont see any negative aspects to optimism.

If i masturbate more, so what? i like fapping

Speedel · #9 2008-12-14, 13:28

masturbation jokes aside, obbe hit the nail on the head, life no matter how you put it life is a battle.

what is the action taken during a battle? struggle

what is the opposite of struggle? death

what is the opposite of death? life

what is life? struggle.

the circle continues.

and optimism would be, IMHO (like this whole post), somehow breaking this cycle.

how? thats why optimism in this case is futile (IMO)

killallthewhiteman · #10 2008-12-17, 23:08

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Originally Posted by Speedel

masturbation jokes aside, obbe hit the nail on the head, life no matter how you put it life is a battle.

what is the action taken during a battle? struggle

what is the opposite of struggle? death

what is the opposite of death? life

what is life? struggle.

the circle continues.

and optimism would be, IMHO (like this whole post), somehow breaking this cycle.

how? thats why optimism in this case is futile (IMO)

Thats the pessimistic view; so of course your going to reject optimism.

If you could holistically say that all of life is battle then i would be pessimistic; but the fact is i am personally happy most of the time- i dont see the struggle in being happy.

All these negative connotations are only one side of the coin; but that doesnt mean there is no evil on this planet; there always will be as long as we aer unrealized and trapped in the consciousness that creates this "struggle".

in a way we are the cause of and solution to all of our problems, or at least the solution is within us.