IQ and intelligence

[Dread_Lord]

Originally Posted by DerDrache

1) I copied the 6 scoring indices of the WAIS exam, nothing else. Anything else I've written is based on what I've learned from paying attention in classes and reading science journals or textbooks.

2) I'll illustrate the point about "mathematicians, violinists, etc." another way: Although some would judge you as unintelligent, stupid, moronic, or borderline-retarded based on what you've written in this thread, you might have (just maybe) made a much better impression if you were judged in another setting. It was merely an illustration of how complicated and generally unreliable (social) judgements of intelligence are.

3)

Yeah, yeah...recurring theme.

1. But you failed to comprehend why. If I had only said that you copied and pasted everything in your argument then what you just said would make sense. I did not say that and you have again failed to comprehend what I said.

2. I will, yet again, point out that there are not different types of intelligence.
No matter what they do they still have the same virtues of intelligence. Some more than others.

3. With you, yes it is.

[Nark Dight]

IQ testing is true and tried.

They have not yet been able to put a number on mine as I answered all of the questions correct.

[RAOVQ]

some people have been trying to state the reality. IQ tests were designed to diagnose retardation in army recruits in the early 1900's. the definition of intelligence used is "The global capacity of a person to act purposefully, to think rationally, and to deal effectively with his/her environment.".

this is the point, the tests are excellent of quantifying how ill equiped someone is to handle thier enviroment. the lower the score, the more assistance will be required for the person to cope.

however, the inverse is not true. obviously, a higher score does not mean that someone is able to cope better. if you want a test of how well someone can manage thier enviroment, look at money (making the assumption all actions are done to maximise happiness -> wealth). (i would love to see a correlation between wealth and iq)

academics score highly, but so do under achievers. once average intelligence is reached, the test is no longer valid. any results obtained are outside the scope of the purpose of the test. it is like using a standard ruler to measure a football field. estimations can be made, and the results will have _some_ meaning, but at the end of the day it is just pissing in the wind and you would be far better off using an instrument designed for the job.

[Dread_Lord]

Originally Posted by RAOVQ

some people have been trying to state the reality. IQ tests were designed to diagnose retardation in army recruits in the early 1900's. the definition of intelligence used is "The global capacity of a person to act purposefully, to think rationally, and to deal effectively with his/her environment.".

this is the point, the tests are excellent of quantifying how ill equiped someone is to handle thier enviroment. the lower the score, the more assistance will be required for the person to cope.

however, the inverse is not true. obviously, a higher score does not mean that someone is able to cope better. if you want a test of how well someone can manage thier enviroment, look at money (making the assumption all actions are done to maximise happiness -> wealth). (i would love to see a correlation between wealth and iq)

academics score highly, but so do under achievers. once average intelligence is reached, the test is no longer valid. any results obtained are outside the scope of the purpose of the test. it is like using a standard ruler to measure a football field. estimations can be made, and the results will have _some_ meaning, but at the end of the day it is just pissing in the wind and you would be far better off using an instrument designed for the job.

Okay but....
http://iq-test.learninginfo.org/iq01.htm
http://www.iqtest-center.com/history.php

You're sort of correct but History is larger than just American history. The IQ test has changed a lot since then.

And this:
http://monkeynostrils.blogspot.com/2...underpaid.html
and this:
http://www.google.com/search?num=100...on&btnG=Search

[Suicide_Mouse]

All of this FIGHTING! FUCK! Listen to each other people! I can see some of you arguing the same or similar points without even realizing it in your insane I-have-to-be-right state of egos!

Intelligence is defined differently by everyone, IQ tests are no different. They are a tool that can be very useful for showing cognitive abilities which IMO is part of what I call intelligence. Though no test could ever measure actual "intelligence" IMHO because it would have to take into account creativity, artistic thought, emotions, and so much more.

Does that mean I think IQ is useless? No of course not, but it sure as hell isn't the end all be all test of how smart you are...

[killallthewhiteman]

the interwebz says i have an IQ of 106; i thought i would do a bit better than that- mind you they were mostly mathematical questions and i fucking hate maths.

[dal7timgar]

I don't think too many people are worried about the people who score below 80 on IQ tests taking over the world.

I would also bet that most of the people who score in the top 5% have noticed that they are out numbered by people in the NORMAL range by 10 to 1.

But a person with an IQ score of 110 can stil hide important information from someone with a score of 150. The person with the 150 score may not necessarily find out that the information is being hidden.

Are economists with PhDs intelligent? If so should they be able to figure out that planned obsolescence has been going on in cars for decades? When have you ever heard economists discuss it on television? So if you never hear about it what does that say about intelligence and information in this society? Just because someone is intelligent doesn't mean they know what the hell is going on.

Are we bombarded with bullshit so we can't use what intelligence we have?

DT

[raohiwaq]

- Everyone thinks they're a genius
- This is actually healthy
- Everyone will rationalize why IQ tests don't relate at all to intelligence and a retard is just as possible of becoming president as anyone else
- This is actually healthy
(by "everyone" I mean &T in general)

I really think a lot of people don't want to face the fact that they're stupid as fuck compared to some people.

Personally, even though I know I'm not "uber elite 10x mega huge penis" (IQ score), I know that for me it is still worthwhile to pursue knowledge because while the uber-iq's are taking backhoes to the rubble I'm clearing it out with my hands -- and it's better to do the work than to not try.

Face it &T, you're not the smartest person in the world, regardless of your IQ score, hell, even because of your IQ score. You're not all Artimus Fowl. IQ scores do correlate to a lot of things, and sorry to say many people consider them good -- grades, jobs, colleges. They also don't because there are uber geniuses which turn out to be bouncers, or strip-club owners, or dealers of cannabis and LSD.

Some people with high intelligence can have low self-esteem, some can score low on novelty seeking, some can have other traits which aren't "good". Personality, temperment, and IQ are all different things and even though you're not a genius you still are a really good person.

[DerDrache]

Originally Posted by raohiwaq

- Everyone thinks they're a genius
- This is actually healthy
- Everyone will rationalize why IQ tests don't relate at all to intelligence and a retard is just as possible of becoming president as anyone else
- This is actually healthy
(by "everyone" I mean &T in general)

I really think a lot of people don't want to face the fact that they're stupid as fuck compared to some people.

Personally, even though I know I'm not "uber elite 10x mega huge penis" (IQ score), I know that for me it is still worthwhile to pursue knowledge because while the uber-iq's are taking backhoes to the rubble I'm clearing it out with my hands -- and it's better to do the work than to not try.

Face it &T, you're not the smartest person in the world, regardless of your IQ score, hell, even because of your IQ score. You're not all Artimus Fowl. IQ scores do correlate to a lot of things, and sorry to say many people consider them good -- grades, jobs, colleges. They also don't because there are uber geniuses which turn out to be bouncers, or strip-club owners, or dealers of cannabis and LSD.

Some people with high intelligence can have low self-esteem, some can score low on novelty seeking, some can have other traits which aren't "good". Personality, temperment, and IQ are all different things and even though you're not a genius you still are a really good person.

This is honestly the best post I've ever seen a New Arrival make. Good job.

And you're definitely right about "everyone thinks they're a genius". It's amusing...the same person who talks about how valuable IQ tests are will almost always have to rationalize why he didn't score so well on it. "I'm smart, but..." Then they tend to revert to bullshit about average IQs, and how they think the average IQ of their ethnic group has something to do with them.

Ahh...idiocy.

[Martian Luger King]

It's funny how you generalize all racists and IQ-proponents as having low IQ's, as if anyone has ever acted like that towards you.