you believe in god cause your scarred of dying

[eBlip]

the reason for all these fucked up religions is because, everyone is shit scarred of dying and cant find out the reason they are alive, so they pull out their korans and bibles and hope that something they dont really believe in, will save their sorry ass.

the truth is, by pulling out your bibles and korans ...you just fucked it mate.

if you want the truth... let me know and i may explain.

[Kikey_Kikeowitz]

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What about religions where there's no afterlife?

[eBlip]

quote:Originally posted by Kikey_Kikeowitz:

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What about religions where there's no afterlife?

it doesnt matter, religions where there is no afterlife, those people are what are known as annhialists, and they are also wrong , so they spend their lives living under the cloud of the fact 'you only live once so do this and do that....

maybe they expect to die and that is the end of it, but they still dont know why they are here, and they dont really KNOW FOR CERTAIN that when they die that is it..

just like the believers dont really believe 100 percent that there is a god.

some muslims and christians etc, will defend and argue until they are blue in the face that they 100 percent believe in god or allah,

but deep down, they have their doubts, even those who strap bombs to themselves and blow themselves up in the name of their religion,..they too have their doubts deep down.....but they would not admit it to me....first of all they would have to admit it to THEMSELVES........

[Beany]

I love life, but If god didn't exist then I wouldn't wanna either.

[10000_GeV]

Your problem, eBlip, is that you are just as afraid of dying as your fellow humans: that's why you assume such a superior stance, and insist on pointing out their own faults.

With the absence of fear comes the absence of criticism... This is projected fear...

[eBlip]

quote:Originally posted by 10000_GeV:

Your problem, eBlip, is that you are just as afraid of dying as your fellow humans: that's why you assume such a superior stance, and insist on pointing out their own faults.

With the absence of fear comes the absence of criticism... This is projected fear...

GeV,

i am afraid of dying, because as a person i feel incomplete, having looked at most religions, i then asked myself why i looked at these religions, and found out i was looking for an escape route, or a safety net.

basically answers to the big questions, in order to gain total peace of mind.

i am not superior to anyone on the planet nor inferior, in my eyes we are all equal.

the thing is, i am a real straight guy, and sometimes i notice from my own personal experience that people lie to themselves in a kind of real deep way....

so i write things like this just to maybe give them a little food for thought and also to get some back.

it is an attacking method like you pointed out, but that is part of my charachter, its a weakness but i get more stimulation by swinging towards the rude and cocky in my behaviour, possibly or should i say, i definitely find it easier to express my true thoughts in this way, but as you will see i am not afraid to admit the truth.

some people say that its only people who havent got the vocab or intelligence, to express themselves elequently who resort to rudeness and cockyness.....

maybe they are right...

[Sadie]

Its better to believe and it not be true , then to not beleive and it be true.

[Kikey_Kikeowitz]

Why should any of us try to convice other people to subscribe to our beliefs?

Thiest, athiests, it doesn't matter. If us theists are wrong, we'll never know. If you athiests are right, you'll never know.

What's the point?

[10000_GeV]

I admire your honesty, eBlip! But don't you consider it hypocritical to keep that posture all the same?

I agree with you, of course, that the fear of death inspires most religions. The keyword is MOST. It's not as if you and I are the sole two people in the world to realize this fact--and to that effect, there are many religions based on this very realization, whose precepts only aim one toward taking a healthy, well thought-out view of LIFE, (not death) and are rather like systems of psychology!

Indeed, no religion is entirely without this purpose, however mucked-up in dogma it is.

Our problem as inhabitants of this world is that too many of the old religions are blindly passed down, even when they've ceased to be effective.

The question just asked, "Why should anyone try to spread their religion?" owes itself to this fact. For in our world especially religions REALLY ARE spread with no purpose!

But the true purpose of a religion is to make life a happier and more enjoyable thing. And in that case, spreading a religion is just a way of spreading a "happiness-system."

I recommend to anyone fed up with our centuries-old Western religions to take a look at something written by Tarthang Tulku:

Here is a truth entirely free of "fear thinking."

[10000_GeV]

PS Sadie:

I encourage you to think about that statement in further detail... Pascal's (yes, this statement is a paraphrase on one made centuries ago by a French mathematician) argument is only so effective as one's assumption of what is "better."

It can be quickly torn apart when one considers that others might not think it "better" to have disbelieved and turned out wrong. Perhaps to some people this is actually better than its opposite: believing and being right.

It actually implies a fair amount of luck. One wagers that God will honor belief, without knowing that he actually will, in contradistinction to those who wager the opposite... What if one didn't want to "play dice" with one's soul, even if it meant forsaking the benefits of doing otherwise?

What if one couldn't respect a God who only honored those lucky individuals to have "placed the right bets"?

With that in mind, Pascal's argument is easily proved false because it implies assumptions about The Good that aren't necessarily true.

I mean, Plato spends so much time trying to define "the good"--I don't see how Pascal can just skip over it in a heartbeat, thinking it already perfectly clear!