The perfect reason to become athiest, christians, please consider.

[ilbastardoh]

quote:Originally posted by 655321:



Not all Athiests are so because of dogma. I accept many commom moral values of your average human being. It is true that i cannot find a reason to believe in god. But just because i cant find a reason to believe in god doesnt mean i blindly think that there is another way like most athiests do. That would make me no better than a christian. The difference between you and I is that you need a final answer. You cant accept that some things cant be answered, then you slap the word God on things you cant explain. The first group of people to do this wrote long intricate confusing stories so that if something wasnt explained, they could fall back on the theory that "it is in the bible, its just that our weak mortal minds could not possibly comprehend it", and when people say "why would god give man a book he couldnt fully understand", they say thats where the faith comes in. Im not asking for proof of god, or proof that god doesnt exist, i wont have faith in either until i see some solid proof, and i dont care if it ever shows up. If god loved us, why would he make human nature want proof for something before it is accepted, then forces us to believe in something that we have no evidence of, (a bible is not evidence) or go to hell just because he made us that way? Dont argue that if we dont believe in hell, then its not his fault that we're going to it cause he gave us the choice not to but made us aware that there was, because if god really loved us he wouldnt let us make such a poor decision! "friends dont let friends drive drunk!" God doesnt exist. Show me a fucking angel and ill show you a newborn christian!



[This message has been edited by 655321 (edited 06-02-2003).]

I can see that some things about me need to be clarified if any sort of intelligent discussion is to take place, I don't believe the mythological version of god that xians try to push on evreyone, nor do I believe the bible to be correct. The bible to me is a propaganda book, at best it makes a boring read some parts about jesus are cool. I guess the inconsistensies in the king james version and bad translations combine to change the meaning to coersion tactics. To me god wants me to be free, so he made me to be self sufficient, just like evrey other life form. However, because certain people feel they need to get thru life easy they exploit others. The problem is god gave these people free will, and also all the suckers out there willing to accept answers without question free will as well. Hence the way the world is, has been a direct result of dimwits to lead(exploit) dimwits.

To me god is simply the creator, by saying that the earth spins, because of god is correct because the earth and energy and inertia, could not exist if it wasn't created, however I know that the mechanics involved in the earth spining are a result of gravity and inertia, this is a generalization of forces we have a limited understanding about, so what is the difference between saying god or gravity, or god of gravity for that matter.

[TigerJK]

quote:Originally posted by 655321:

Im not asking for proof of god, or proof that god doesnt exist, i wont have faith in either until i see some solid proof, and i dont care if it ever shows up.

Which would make you an agnostic, not an atheist.

[ilbastardoh]

evreything that you can see with your own 2 eyes and evreything that you can't, is a manifestation of god, evreything that you can feel with your hands and evreything you can't is a manifestation as well. You don't need god for self realization, but it sure as hell makes it easier.

[icantthinkofaname]

nothing about the existance of a god makes logical sense to me. the bible is probably the most hypocrytical thing i have ever read, despite the fact that priests constantly protest it doesnt contridict its self,it ATTEMPTS to install an idea of freedom into people giving false promises. in my opinion there is no such thing as fredom in any sense, we are all bound by the laws of physics, and even on a lower level we are NOT free!! we are constantly bound by emotion and rules. true freedom can never be achieved, so therefore we can only endeavour to try an aquire what level of freedom we as humans can achieve (i.e. free from opression and dictatorship).

[Schizophrenic Styrofoam]

quote:Originally posted by icantthinkofaname:

nothing about the existance of a god makes logical sense to me. the bible is probably the most hypocrytical thing i have ever read, despite the fact that priests constantly protest it doesnt contridict its self,it ATTEMPTS to install an idea of freedom into people giving false promises. in my opinion there is no such thing as fredom in any sense, we are all bound by the laws of physics, and even on a lower level we are NOT free!! we are constantly bound by emotion and rules. true freedom can never be achieved, so therefore we can only endeavour to try an aquire what level of freedom we as humans can achieve (i.e. free from opression and dictatorship).

Complete freedom is achievable. All the things you mentioned only limit us through fear. Without fear, which we can overcome, we would be completely free. (i know you said the laws of physics, those too can and have been broken)

"Rules were made to be broken."

[by_my_lonesome]

Freedom of choice is a difficult thing. There are things that you can choose, but you are always bound to yourself- People take themselves to separate from their world. There are direct reasons why we choose the things we do, sociological and psychological reasons determine what we do to some degree, even if you do believe in a soul or other moralistic governing body. Even then, does it really have choice? Can it choose to choose good over evil?

[655321]

quote:Originally posted by TigerJK:

Which would make you an agnostic, not an atheist.

I suppose youre right, but i am limited to 24 hours in a day, and school sure as hell hasnt taught me any new vocab words. For lack of a better term, i said i was athiest. but i suppose, after researching the definition of agnostic, i am agnostic. Thank you for informing me there. Im defidently leaning more towards athiesm than believing in the existance of a God though.

[TigerJK]

You're welcome.

Good luck.

[Vajlea]

Most atheists are just like everyone else. I'm tired of the steryotype of the chaotic rampant view of a young punk atheist. Atheist just don't belive. Why? Each has their own reason. IT' snot a psychological defect, or some common trait amoung us that makes us that way. I don't beleive in god because I feel nothing when I try to pray to him. I 'open my heart' as one once escribed to me, and I felt nothing. I find more comfort elswhere than I ever had in relegion - Im not religious, but I am spiritual. I'm Earthly. But I don't hate all the christians or muslims or pagans, or whatever they may be on the bassis that they do believe, and moth atheists are the same. We're just regular people with different beleifs.

[MrEricSir]

quote:Originally posted by Kikey_Kikeowitz:

I found them interesting, but nothing I hadn't heard before.

There is no TRUE freedom of choice, of course.

Anything you choose to do was destined to happen, as time is not a continuum, but happening all at once.

And it looks like you were destined to be a bit on the simple-minded side. Oh well! That's the way destiny is, I suppose.