religion and spirituality

[lady_dw]

There's your fault. Love isn't the same as faith. Love is based on the need to procreate, which is real honest fact. We developed the idea that it is more than that because to encourage procreation we had to develop a need and a rewarding system for love itself. I do support the idealism of love because it is the driving force of humanity, but I won't get over philosophical about it.

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[Chicki5150]

Well, i was comparing love and faith for contextual reasons. I dont think either of them are logical.

Like you said that love was for reproduction? Well, what about if i loved a woman? THAT is not for reproduction. Two women cant reproduce. But they can still love each other, right? (i will probably get flamed for that one!)

What about love between friends? Thats not to reproduce either, yet there is still a bond between them that cannot be 'logically' explained.

Im just trying to entertain the notion that faith is not a logical idea by using the concept of 'love' as an example.

but...thats just my 2 cents

~chicki

[lady_dw]

Firstly, I mentioned that we developed a need for love and a reward system for it (you know, orgasm) but that doesn't mean that it is still limited to heterosexuality. You can still enjoy sex without reproducing, but the original intentions were still for reproduction. I am a lesbian myself lol.

As for friendship... You are mixing two ideas again. Romantic love is not the same as friendship. Friendship developed from a completely different biological human need.

[bent_redeemer]

you went off and assumed she meant romantic love. what about love of parents/family. i love my family, they arent necessarily my friends.

also, the nobility seen behind faith isnt necessarily the fact that someone believes something and doesnt necessarily have an idea why. why faith may be considered honorable is that someone has someone/thing that they live and die for. i am happy to see a person who goes on living for a reason besides fear of death

[crunked]

Love is not a need, love is a desire. Basic needs are water, food and sleep. Sex is a need, and a want, maybe a secondary need. There are different kinds of love, i.e. romantic love, platonic love (as between two people without romantic involvement), parental love.....etc.

Faith is believing in something without scientific proof it exists. So, I see where you are coming from, that there is no reason behind faith -more like believing in the unknown or yet proven, and believing that thing above other proven ideas.

thats my 2 cents...

[lady_dw]

If you live and die for something that evidence shows doesn't exist, then you are wasting a lifetime of experience on a hope for something after death. Also, living and dieing for something that doesn't exist might be great for an individual, but what about when those people force others to die, for what they DON'T believe in?

Why not live and die for life itself, for experiance, or happiness?

Crunked has got it right.

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