Bring That Shit In

Okay, Wings of Azrael, let's kick things off with a few simple questions so I know where you stand on theological matters.

1) Is there any scientific proof of God, as you interpret the term?

2) Where is God? If he exists outside materiel being, what is the nature of his realm?

3) Where does your intimate knowledge of God derive from? Epiphany? Or were the particulars of faith taught to you?

4) How would you describe God? Gimme just a few quick adjectives.

[Kikey_Kikeowitz]

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[ChaosWyrm]

quote:Originally posted by Kikey_Kikeowitz:

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[Wings Of Azrael]

1) Is there any scientific proof of God, as you interpret the term?

Scientific proof of God? I see our existence and nature as proof of God. All the things of His creation are everywhere. That is enough for me. That's like me asking you if there is scientific evidence of no God? You can prove nothing of God based on science. He is unfathomable and beyond human comprehension.

2) Where is God? If he exists outside materiel being, what is the nature of his realm?

God is omnipresent. You could say He is everywhere but his technical home is the 7th heaven.

3) Where does your intimate knowledge of God derive from? Epiphany? Or were the particulars of faith taught to you?

Personal experiences as well as personal religious studies and meditation and prayer. Discussions with Rabbis, Priests, Imams and Mullahs helped with the proper ways of faith. Correct ways to pray, and the times, restrictions as fortold by God in religious documents, etc. I had faith in God before I converted to Islam. Islam just strengthened it to a point I didn't think was possible.

4) How would you describe God? Gimme just a few quick adjectives.

The Beneficient, The Merciful. The Possessor Of Power. The All-Knowing, The All-Seeing, The All-Hearing, All-Powerful. Lord Of The Universe, The Lord Of All. The Creator, The Sustainer. The Most High. He is Allah, besides whom there is no God.

[Doofnoil2]

give me scientific proof of why the universe BOTHERS to exist, or possible WHY is came into existance. The big bang is just how baby boy.

[Faithless]

Doofnoil2.

The big bang theory is just what it says on the tin. Theory not proven fact. Before the big bang theory there was the steady state universe theory before that, you get the idea.

[Dark_Magneto]

The big bang model makes many predictions. Any sound theory does.

That is, if the theory is correct, here is what we would expect to find as a result of it.

It was predicted that if the big bang theory was true, that all galaxies would appear to be moving away from a central point.

They are.

It was also predicted that there would be background radio waves from the bang, the "echo" of it so to speak.

Those waves that were predicted to exist have been found.

This is how a scientific theory develops. The more predictions it makes and the more accurate they are, the greater the chance of the theory being accurate is.

1) Our existence and nature are proof only of themselves. They do not tell us one thing about the force or forces that brought us about. Perhaps it was God. Perhaps it was random chance. I don't know, and more importantly, I don't claim to know in the absence of proof.

As for proof that God DOESN'T exist, surely you must be aware that it's quite impossible to prove a negative. This is why intellectual discourse places the "burden of proof" on the affirmative side of the debate. To use an example Dark Magneto once employed against me, can you prove that the universe wasn't created by the Almighty Bunny God?

2) If God is everywhere, how could he dwell in one particular place simultaneously?

3) Your search for spiritual truth, while certainly admirable in many respects, has yet to employ empirical logic at any level. Don't you think these rabbis, priests, imams, and mullahs might have a motive for their proselytizing? And did any of them give you any proof?

As for you, doofnoil, stop playing the semantics. Read my response to 1), as I've neither the time nor the patience to retype it.

[Doofnoil2]

quote:Originally posted by Armed&Angry:

As for proof that God DOESN'T exist, surely you must be aware that it's quite impossible to prove a negative.

2) If God is everywhere, how could he dwell in one particular place simultaneously?

As for you, doofnoil, stop playing the semantics. Read my response to 1), as I've neither the time nor the patience to retype it.

I think you need to reread my post, I didn't ask you to DISPROVE God's existance. I merely posed a question of my own.

1) here read this http://www.graveyardofthegods.net/ar...enegative.html

2) easy, If god is everywhere, then for it to be in one place, God also must be everything. Is god here, sure, is god there sure, yet again semantics.

3) get over yourself

[This message has been edited by Doofnoil2 (edited 09-07-2003).]

1) Don't even try that shit, the connotation of your question was clear, and if you meant something else you should phrase it better. I'm not a goddamn mind reader. As for that article, it really just proves my point here, doesn't it? I suppose the idea that you can't prove a negative depends on your definition. By my definition I'm right, and the article even states explicitly that my position is correct. So what the hell is your point?

2) If God is everything, i.e. by definition possessed of all traits at all times, how is that in any way different from nonexistence?

3) Get over myself? I'm just arguing, dipshit. You're the one who decided to come into this thread, point out an extremely minor foible of logic that actually has nothing to do with the veracity of my argument, and tout yourself as the fount of all knowledge. Maybe you should get over yourself?