Science shakier than faith

bigtmoney · #1 2003-09-06, 04:22

I'm not much for typing really long posts so hopefully I can get my main points in...

I've seen alot of athiests in these forums saying that there is no scientific proof of god, so they would rather go with science and be LOGICAL. One guy even went on to say that science is contradicting everything in the bible and that a pattern of disproving was emerging. The same guy went on to say that he couldn't prove how man got here because science hadn't progressed enough.

Well it's that little thing, science, that i'd like to talk about. What all of you athiest who put faith in science have to understand is that everything you believe in now will become bs sometime down the road. Everyone will look back at you and say, look at those jackasses, they thought the sky was blue and gravity held stuff down (example). The statement that guy made about science is absolutely true. It isn't yet advanced enough, nor will it probably ever be. It will just keep disproving itself over, and over, and over till the world ends.

The same guy mentioned above said that the church persecuted the guy who thought that the earth orbited the sun. Why, because all the scientists of the day thought the sun orbited. Galileo was a bit crazy, and you can go ahead and say that you would have believed him and went against the church, but with your logical minds, and all the days scientists saying other wise I doubt.

I've typed too much already. My point is that through the past 10,000 years no one has disproved a god. While your logical science has been disproved too many times to count. As the threads title says, believing science is shakier than putting faith in a god.

MrEricSir · #2 2003-09-06, 04:42

Science makes numerous important discoveries every year. If you "believe" in science, you're missing the point.

Faith is based on believing in things that may or may not be true. Faith, at least in an individual, cannot change or it is not true faith.

Comparing the two is like comparing apples and oranges.

bigtmoney · #3 2003-09-06, 05:07

not true. You do have to "believe" science. Like you have to choose if you believe creation, or if you believe evolution.

#4 2003-09-06, 05:11

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quote:Originally posted by bigtmoney:

not true. You do have to "believe" science. Like you have to choose if you believe creation, or if you believe evolution.

No, dumbass, you don't. I personally think both have immense holes in them, although evolution certainly has fewer.

And your whole position here is pretty indefensible. When logical types find a previous belief has been thoroughly discredited, they show the intellectual integrity to drop it and put stock in the new facts. You're just taking an obvious fact of reality and playing word games with it.

bigtmoney · #5 2003-09-06, 05:15

Oh, I get it, you just change your beliefs everytime something new comes along. But still, how does it feel to know, logically, everything you believe *put stock in* in will be proven wrong. You all say that logically there is a chance god exists. I say that logically there is 0 chance anything you believe in is correct.

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Dr. Spankinz · #6 2003-09-06, 05:18

A human can't know anything except by faith. Oh, you saw something with your own two eyes, you say? Well, you put faith in your eyes didn't you? And you put your faith in your own interpretation of what you saw with your own two eyes, didn't you?

You think I'm full of shit? Well go ask the Indian yogis that stare into the sun all day about it. The very reason these Indian 'holy men' do that is because they don't WANT to be tempted into putting faith in their sight anymore. And for the rest of their days, they live in a fucking cave and somebody has to come feed and water them.

I'm not advocating this, I'm just saying, there's nothing that we do that doesn't involve faith. You ever stick your hand in a mailbox and drop a letter inside, believing that it is going to get where you want it to go? Well, that's faith, brother.

U.S.P.S.

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bigtmoney · #7 2003-09-06, 05:26

Exactly, so why is God too hard to put faith in. Because science has less holes? No one has explained to me the fact that logically there is a chance of god, and that logically there is no chance of what we think is correct now being true.

MrEricSir · #8 2003-09-06, 05:43

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quote:Originally posted by bigtmoney:

Oh, I get it, you just change your beliefs everytime something new comes along. But still, how does it feel to know, logically, everything you believe *put stock in* in will be proven wrong. You all say that logically there is a chance god exists. I say that logically there is 0 chance anything you believe in is correct.

Huh? You can't BELIEVE in science. Why is this so difficult for you to understand? Anyone who believes in science is missing the point entirely, and is instead engaging in a religious system.

bigtmoney · #9 2003-09-06, 05:57

replace belief with puts stock in

Lokil · #10 2003-09-06, 06:41

When someone buys stock in a company they need proof for potential success. Believing doesn't. Believing in science doesn't exist. The whole idea behind the scientific method is that an excercise can be duplicated anywhere and achieve the same results. You cannot believe in gravity, you accept it. Very similiar to you not being able to accept everyone's points against yours.