Abortion... It cannot be murder because:

Amaterasu · #1 2003-09-07, 23:57

Abortion... It cannot be murder because:

If one does not take a Biblical stance, one must admit that this planet is overpopulated and rather than give some the responsibility of deciding who to cull, it would be best to start with the unwanted pregnancies. Unloved people generally are more likely to cause issues for the rest of us, after all...

And if one takes a truly Biblical approach, one will admit that in the Judaic laws (that Jesus said he was not here to change), the soul does not enter the body until the first breath. Given this, any abortion is merely removing a soulless bit of flesh.

And though I think "partial birth" abortions are a wee bit barbaric, I don't see them as murder. The first breath has not been taken and there is no soul involved.

I would love to debate any on this question.

(Copied from another post of mine... Too lazy, I guess. <grin> )

Kikey_Kikeowitz · #2 2003-09-08, 00:57

I'm a big fan of abortions.

MORE ABORTIONS, I SAY!

Better that a child never be born into this world than to be born unto a family that doesn't want him or can't take care of him properly.

Wings Of Azrael · #3 2003-09-08, 01:12

As soon as the child is concieved, it is my feelings that soul is born. Even though you can't see it and it can't speak to you, it is there. And abortion is murder, unless the circumstances are extreme.

The Angel Gabriel(pbuh) as been accredited as the angel who selects souls from heaven to be birthed into the material world and spends the nine months as the child is being developed informing the new person of what he or she will need to know on Earth, only to silence the child before birth by pressing his finger onto the child's lips, thus producing the cleft below a person's nose.

Kikey_Kikeowitz · #4 2003-09-08, 01:15

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quote:Originally posted by Wings Of Azrael:

And abortion is murder, unless the circumstances are extreme.

If you think it's murder, it's always murder.

Circumstances merely justify it.

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quote:The Angel Gabriel(pbuh) as been accredited as the angel who selects souls from heaven to be birthed into the material world and spends the nine months as the child is being developed informing the new person of what he or she will need to know on Earth, only to silence the child before birth by pressing his finger onto the child's lips, thus producing the cleft below a person's nose.

What a nice story.

I sure wish I remembered what he told me, as I've had to figure it all out myself.

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Wings Of Azrael · #5 2003-09-08, 01:24

Well there is no factual proof of such of the Angel Gabriel(pbuh), but I read it from some Judeo-Christian lore and believe it to be true. I believe if the child is concieved by rape or something of an extreme nature, that God would not grant it a soul. My belief, not yours. And who knows, may be another Angel came by and erased your memory.

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Kikey_Kikeowitz · #6 2003-09-08, 01:41

Fucking angels.

First, they come down in search of human bitches and cause God to destroy humanity in the Enochian era, now they erase my memory.

There's going to be hell to pay after I die, I'll tell you that right now.

Dark_Magneto · #7 2003-09-08, 02:15

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quote:Originally posted by Wings Of Azrael:

I believe if the child is concieved by rape or something of an extreme nature, that God would not grant it a soul.

So that means that there are a bunch of soulless people walking around today since they were products of rape.

And since they don't have souls then they don't need their soul to be "saved" from anything since it doesn't exist (for them, specifically).

So they have no reason to follow any religion that subscribes to the soul precept.

Wings Of Azrael · #8 2003-09-08, 02:24

Maybe so. They are possibly those who are destined to unbelief. If there are those out there, and the repented and believed in God, God would grant them mercy and compassion. God is Compassionate, the Merciful.

Kikey_Kikeowitz · #9 2003-09-08, 02:26

If they are destined to not believe, how are they to repent and believe?

They're destined not to.

Dark_Magneto · #10 2003-09-08, 02:35

And even if they did, they have no soul, so they don't have any reason to hope for heaven or fear hell, thus eliminating the entire driving force behind many religions.

Cause' I mean, that's the whole object of the game. To dodge hell and make it to heaven. That's the entire fucking point. That's all there is to it.

So if you don't have any reason to worry about heaven or hell, then you have no reason to subscribe to any religion that uses such systems since it can;t do anything for you.