Eritis sicut Deus, scientes Bonum et Mallum.

[Tyrant]

What is to be said on TOTSE about Good and Evil?

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<LI>Is there an absolute Good versus an absolute Evil?

<LI>Are Good and Evil relative to certain situations?

<LI>Is Good dependent upon Evil for existence, and vice versa?

<LI>Are Good and Evil two separate entities, independent of each other and achieving two separate goals - or, sometimes, the same goal? If so, what are these goals?

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[Spirit of '22]

I think there is an "Absolute" Good, but it consists of being purely and truly yourself. This means a negro is absolutely good when he is all about being a negro, a warrior is good when everything about himself is nothing but a warrior, a wife is good when everything about herself is a lover or a mother, a peasant is good when everything about himself is a loyal worker, etc. Bad is the denial or promiscuous intermixing of values not proper to your Identity. That being said, if you are The Fenrir Wolf, you are being Evil in not eating the sun and the moon.

From the highest vantage, however, the perspective of The First, above even gods, I can't see how there could be a Good or an Evil in purity. Every Good and Evil force or principle in mythology I can think of springs from the same father or other source, and logically, any opposing spiritual principles have to have their root in spirituality itself, so there must be something that transcends dualism at the top of the cosmic food change.

[Syko]

If there weren't evil, how would we define good? The answere is simple, evil would be to a lesser extent then good and vice versa.

But then, there are always grey areas. Is it evil to kill? What if a family member is being threatened? What if a total stranger is being threatened? What if the "evil" person is threatening harm, but not death, is it still ok or wrong to kill them?

Who gets to say what is evil? good. Who gets to say what is good? evil.

Therefore until we as a planet can fully agree on what is right and wrong, good and evil. The ideas will just be a perception to ones mind, not to say they aren't real.

What's evil, forcing your ideas on others in the hopes to make them good.

Is drug abusse bad? If you understood what I am saying then no. But if you didn't understand what I am saying then I'm obvioussly more fucked then I thought. But does that make it evil?

[Spirit of '22]

You are arguing on a human and superficial level we have both passed here.

[VeneFrigus]

Good and Evil exist in two senses. The first is as roles. Protagonist and antagonist, etc.

Second as adherance to a certain code(s) of behavior, which may change relative to the adherant in question.

Now that I think about it, a third comes into question. The good or evil of outcome. But that's disputable.

[ArmsMerchant]

In the highest sense, the concepts of good and evil are equally illusory.

For one thing, assuming you have an immortal soul, you cannot be harmed in any real sense, hence no "evil" can be done unto you.

If you assume that you will eventually, no matter what, either reincarnate or join the godhead (i.e., "go to heaven" in Xianspeak) after you pass, then nothing that hapens to you now can afect that, and hence will do you no ultimate "good".

I make both assumptions, based on gnosis--that is, immediate knowledge of/communion with god as I understand him, the creator and sustainer of this local universe.

[Spirit of '22]

In the highest sense, the concepts of good and evil are equally illusory.

For one thing, assuming you have an immortal soul, you cannot be harmed in any real sense, hence no "evil" can be done unto you.

Thats a pretty selfish and stupid way to look at it...You can still do evil to other things.

If you assume that you will eventually, no matter what, either reincarnate or join the godhead (i.e., "go to heaven" in Xianspeak) after you pass, then nothing that hapens to you now can afect that,

Thats equally ludicrous. If that were true there would be no qualitative difference between beings.