I liked it when it wasn't corrupt

remember the good old days when the Catholic church was pure and holy, rather than how it is today, where people just bash it, and don't look into it? wow, I remember the good ol' days.

[icecold]

The Catholic church was pure and holy? When was this?

Not in this century with the child molestation, the role it tries to play in politics and education, the banning of women from using birth control. Not in previous centuries when it charged people money to have their sins forgiven, when it burned some of the greatest minds at the stake, not when it slowed the progression of humanity and almost brought it to a standstill. When it brought justification to slavery, persecution, torture, and genocide. What more can I say?

And a few quotes to go along with this:

"I am convinced that some political and social activities and practices of the Catholic organizations are detrimental and even dangerous for the community as a whole, here and everywhere. I mention here only the fight against birth control at a time when overpopulation in various countries has become a serious threat to the health of people and a grave obstacle to any attempt to organize peace on this planet."

-Albert Einstein, letter, 1954

"During many ages there were witches. The Bible said so. The Bible commanded that they should not be allowed to live. Therefore the Church, after doing its duty in but a lazy and indolent way for 800 years, gathered up its halters, thumbscrews, and firebrands, and set about its holy work in earnest. She worked hard at it night and day during nine centuries and imprisoned, tortured, hanged, and burned whole hordes and armies of witches, and washed the Christian world clean with their foul blood. Then it was discovered that there was no such thing as witches, and never had been. One does not know whether to laugh or to cry."

-Mark Twain, Bible Teaching and Religious Practice essay, "Europe and Elsewhere", 1923

"It is now quite lawful for a Catholic woman to avoid pregnancy by a resort to mathematics, though she is still forbidden to resort to physics or chemistry."

-H.L. Mencken

"We would be 1,500 years ahead if it hadn't been for the church dragging science back by its coattails and burning our best minds at the stake."

-Catherine Fahringer

"To affirm that the Sun ... is at the centre of the universe and only rotates on its axis without going from east to west, is a very dangerous attitude and one calculated not only to arouse all Scholastic philosophers and theologians but also to injure our holy faith by contradicting the Scriptures"

-Cardinal Bellarmino, 17th Century Church Master Collegio Romano, who imprisoned and tortured Galileo for his astronomical works

[Haddock]

quote:Originally posted by icecold:

The Catholic church was pure and holy? When was this?

Not in this century with the child molestation, the role it tries to play in politics and education, the banning of women from using birth control. Not in previous centuries when it charged people money to have their sins forgiven, when it burned some of the greatest minds at the stake, not when it slowed the progression of humanity and almost brought it to a standstill. When it brought justification to slavery, persecution, torture, and genocide. What more can I say?

And a few quotes to go along with this:

"I am convinced that some political and social activities and practices of the Catholic organizations are detrimental and even dangerous for the community as a whole, here and everywhere. I mention here only the fight against birth control at a time when overpopulation in various countries has become a serious threat to the health of people and a grave obstacle to any attempt to organize peace on this planet."

-Albert Einstein, letter, 1954

"During many ages there were witches. The Bible said so. The Bible commanded that they should not be allowed to live. Therefore the Church, after doing its duty in but a lazy and indolent way for 800 years, gathered up its halters, thumbscrews, and firebrands, and set about its holy work in earnest. She worked hard at it night and day during nine centuries and imprisoned, tortured, hanged, and burned whole hordes and armies of witches, and washed the Christian world clean with their foul blood. Then it was discovered that there was no such thing as witches, and never had been. One does not know whether to laugh or to cry."

-Mark Twain, Bible Teaching and Religious Practice essay, "Europe and Elsewhere", 1923

"It is now quite lawful for a Catholic woman to avoid pregnancy by a resort to mathematics, though she is still forbidden to resort to physics or chemistry."

-H.L. Mencken

"We would be 1,500 years ahead if it hadn't been for the church dragging science back by its coattails and burning our best minds at the stake."

-Catherine Fahringer

"To affirm that the Sun ... is at the centre of the universe and only rotates on its axis without going from east to west, is a very dangerous attitude and one calculated not only to arouse all Scholastic philosophers and theologians but also to injure our holy faith by contradicting the Scriptures"

-Cardinal Bellarmino, 17th Century Church Master Collegio Romano, who imprisoned and tortured Galileo for his astronomical works

Very well said.

[Craftian]

Yes, the Church was much purer when it was turning a blind eye to the Holocaust.

wait, that doesn't sound right...

hmm - the Inquisition?

the Crusades?

stamping out science?

I'm having a bit of trouble here, do you think you could give me an example of pureness and holiness?

[256]

quote:the good old days when the Catholic church was pure and holy, rather than how it is today, where people just bash it, and don't look into it

Uh, does this make sense?

Comparing what the Catholic church (allegedly) used to be ("pure and holy"), to what people (allegedly) now do ("people just bash it, and don't look into it"). That makes no sense.

[icecold]

I have must add one more quote, so here it is:

"The Roman Catholic motto is ourselves alone for fellow Roman Catholics. We must defeat all heretics (non-Roman Catholics) at the ballot box. The holy father states that negative tactics are fatal. The demands of the holy father (the pope) are that the public services should be 100% Roman Catholic soon. Care must be taken that no suspicion may be raised when Roman Catholics are secretly given more government jobs than Protestants, Jews, and other heretics."

-Australian Archbishop Gilroy, 1940

[nevermind]

i swear there is this very seclusive catholic organisation, that gets the most intelligent belivers in the religion and puts them into the highest places in business. i heard this on the radio once, but cant remember the name of it. i mean, people moan about the masons being all secretive, yet the church has its even more secretive invite only organisation. i'll try to remember the name of this organisation....

[CesareBorgia]

quote:Originally posted by Hammer&Sickle:

remember the good old days when the Catholic church was pure and holy, rather than how it is today, where people just bash it, and don't look into it? wow, I remember the good ol' days.

The early Christian Church doesn't even fit your description.

I am looking at the church when christians were being fed the the lions, btw Christian church has done many a good thing but it has done a shitload of bad. It's a human organization so it will have faults. Every large organization grows corrupt, but I am talking about way back when the Catholic churches roots.

[icecold]

Was that before they started burning some of the greatest scientific minds at the stake, before they brought justification to slavery, persecution, torture, and genocide?