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| My God Can Beat the Shit Out of Your God For discussing any and all religious viewpoints. Intolerance will not be tolerated. Keeping your sense of humor is required. Posting messages about theological paradoxes is encouraged. |

2004-01-12, 06:05
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I do not believe in hell i dont care what the bible says and all that biblical mumbojumbo. If god is our father i dont think he would send us to a burning pit for the rest of eternity. I mean did your dad throw you into a burning pit with demons and fire when you got into trouble.I think that people have a choice to go there or not.
But i do believe that thier is evil. My theory is that there has to be good and evil because one cannot exist without the other. you are given free will to be good or evil. They have to cancell eachother out like an atom. Its charge is neutral because the electrons cancell out the protons. I think it has to be that way with all things.If the 2 sides didnt cancell then we could not exist.
i was just thinking about this and decided to see what you guys think.
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2004-01-12, 06:38
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the actual idea of hell, (primarily from a Christian viewpoint) - would be the absence of "God".
Mind you, being an atheists exempts me from caring either way, but your view appeared a bit off regardless...the idea is that you either accept "God" and go to heaven, or deny him and don't.
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quote:My theory is that there has to be good and evil because one cannot exist without the other. you are given free will to be good or evil.
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And whats to say either actually exists at all?
IMO - "good and evil" are relative. They are merely terms used to describe what you think should or shouldn't be done, based on your set of morals, which are relative...
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2004-01-12, 08:35
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I'm under the impression that evil is simply the lack of good. It's like there's no such thing as coldness. It's just a term for the absense of heat energy.
Isn't the Christian hell some sort of punishment? What's the point of punishment that lasts forever? If there is no remedial value to hell, no learning your lesson and being let out or extinguished, it serves no purpose other than to inflict suffering.
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2004-01-12, 17:34
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quote:Originally posted by noraa_boy:
Isn't the Christian hell some sort of punishment? What's the point of punishment that lasts forever? If there is no remedial value to hell, no learning your lesson and being let out or extinguished, it serves no purpose other than to inflict suffering.
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Well said!!
you are an inspiration to me noraa boy.
[This message has been edited by PhatMonkey (edited 01-12-2004).]
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2004-01-12, 23:22
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Quote:
quote:Originally posted by noraa_boy:
I'm under the impression that evil is simply the lack of good. It's like there's no such thing as coldness. It's just a term for the absense of heat energy.
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if cold is the absense of heat energy, then wouldn't heat be the absense of cold? if so, then neither would exist without the other, making it impossible. not disagreeing with you, just wondering if that makes any sense. i think i'm thinking too hard on it.
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2004-01-12, 23:32
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Well, I think we know that heat energy exists, but I'm not too sure if we have discovered "cold energy".
As always, I'm open to corrections and suggestions.
[This message has been edited by noraa_boy (edited 01-12-2004).]
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2004-01-12, 23:36
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quote:Originally posted by noraa_boy:
Well, I think we know that heat energy exists, but I'm not too sure if we have discovered "cold energy".
As always, I'm open to corrections and suggestions.
[This message has been edited by noraa_boy (edited 01-12-2004).]
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I was just wondering if it was an ambiguous arguement. It seemed like it could go either way.
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2004-01-13, 00:20
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No longer in Camelot it is a silly place
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I've always thought this was an interesting school of thought on the subject: hell is a place of your own making. Your sins, your faults, your unsolved problems in life create the environment which will be your personal hell after you die. In other words, everyone who goes gets their own personal, custom-made hell designed by themselves for themselves (only they usually don't know that is the case, at least not at first).
Then you're supposed to figure out why your hell is the way it is and seek forgiveness once you realize how you went wrong in life. Dig yourself out of your own hole, so to speak.
I don't believe or necessarily disbelieve in an afterlife, be it heaven or hell or whatever, but this idea of hell makes more sense to me than any others I've heard.
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2004-01-13, 00:57
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i have to agree with the punishment arguements, i posted a very similar post somewhere recently, about pungee pits...
anywoo-i also agree that "evil" is the absence of good, its not a balance thing. i believe good is when everyone is happy (agreed?) and if everyone is happy, than everyone is following thier Will. evil is people going agenst thier Will.
Do what thou wilt...(93 thelemites!)
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2004-01-13, 02:08
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listen, i don't believe in hell, but i believe that the creation of a "hell" is fundamental to every religion. There needs to be an evil force that makes us strive to become good. Without a "hell" there can be no heaven.
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