Christianity Vs. Paganist

[Nirvan]

Alright Everyone,

Christians believe that the Pagan beliefs are all Lucifer worshipping, Baby sacraficing, Orgy having, nonsence. ( By the way, we don't even believe in a Lucifer,so we can't worship such a being.) But how many of them know what Paganism or Wicca actually is? Not many, nor do many know the similarities between the two. I'd like to explain a few things to all you stubborn Christians who refuse to listen to what we say while you beat us with a cross.

Paganism is one of the earliest forms of religion, ans though it was very shortly ago actual "Paganism" formed, the beliefs, witchcraft and magick we performed was around. Witchcraft is NOT evil, we do not conjure up demons to perform magickal rites, We simply use the living, breathing Earths natural magickal energies and bend it's energies. Basicly, we are using the Earths magickal energies and the energies of the Gods or Goddesses we call forth.

WE DO NOT DO BLACK MAGICK! Although there are witches ( Witch is the term for any person who performs magick, male or female.) who do black magick, most of us are of the right handed path. There are two paths in witchcraft, the Left Handed Path, and the Right Handed Path. The Left Handed Path is that of dark magick, Hex's, Curses, other bad shit. The Right Handed Path, that of which most of us follow, is of white, or good magick, healing, protection, other good

shit like that. We have our own system of the Christians " Golden Rule", in a way, which is called the Wiccan Rede. It simply states, "Bide the wiccan law ye must, in perfect love and perfect trust. Eight words the wiccan rede fulfill, an at harm none, do what ye wil. And lest in self-defense it be, ever mind the rule of three. Follow this with miind and heart, merry ye meet and merry ye part. " Meaning, we don't believe in a basic 10 commandment basis, we understand the humans natural tendencies to feel jelousy, to have sex, to be human, and we believe that as long as no-one gets hurt, unless it is to defend, you get the rule of three, which is " Whatever you cast into the world comes back times three."

Some of us believe in one god and one goddess, with many names and traits, and some of us believe in many different Gods and Goddess's. Ranging from the beliefs of the ancient Greek Gods, ( Ie. Athena, Zeus, Heracles) and, my personal favorite to study, the Norse Gods and Goddess's. ( Odin, Thor,Loki, Freya.) REAL Pagans tolerate other religions, even if we do not really agree or believe in what that religion states. We do not put down another religion, although we may question in a way of, " Why is this so?" but we will not say " That's wrong." And many of us are curiouse of other religions. We like to learn about other beliefs in the world, and often adopt other beliefs. We don't believe that out Gods and Goddess's are the ONLY ones. This gives you all a little insight, I didn't include All the details because that would take pages upon pages to type, but this should give enough of a spark to begin a conversation, if anyone has any other question u can contact me at [email protected] I also have Yahoo instant messaging, add me.



[This message has been edited by Nirvan (edited 03-21-2006).]

[Elephantitis Man]

Do you believe in magic?

[Nirvan]

of cource I do, i perfrom ritual magick...

[NeoIceshroom]

Well, you can't speak ƒor all Pagans you know. I am certianly not beyond summoning a demon on someone, but that's only if they piss me off. For the most part I use what abilities I do posess to help my friends and myself, not to harm others.

I know how you feel about the way christians preceive Paganism, but there is little that can be done to change that. Even beating the crap out oƒ one loud-mouthed christian may change the minds oƒ a ƒew, but never enough to make a diƒƒerence. Non-violent solutions as well have their limits, so I just don't bother with christians anymore. It seems there is nothing I can do or say to convince them that not all Pagans are evil, which isn't to say that some aren't, because there are certianly evil pagans in the world, just as their are evil people oƒ every single religion. Iƒ a christian tries to tell me what a pagan is, I simply laugh and walk away. It's no use argueing with a halƒ wit.

[Nirvan]

I wasn't speaking for all of us, The information was mainly targetted at Pagans stricly of the right handed path, who never do any black magick, and the ones who do not believe in demons ( like me) but believe in evil spirits, which is virtually the same thing. Actually I stopped as well, I had an account in school awhile back ago, I was wearing a Pentacle necklace, and a teacher looked at it and asked " Can I burn this?" It pissed me off, but I kept my cool and calmly asked, looking at her cross necklace, " Can I throw your cross into a fire?" She said no, so I simply walked away....but as soon as I was out of her site I kinda punched the wall, hard enough to bust 3 of my knuckles open ( I have anger issues, lol)

[The_Rabbi]

There's no such thing as "Paganism." The term "pagan" refers to anything non-Christian.

[Apoxyus]

quote:Originally posted by Nirvan:

[b]Alright Everyone,

Christians believe that the Pagan beliefs are all Lucifer worshipping, Baby sacraficing, Orgy having, nonsence.

Umm....Pagans in fact do have a celebration where they have a big orgy. The name of this holiday is Beltaine, where everyone goes on a big naked camping trip. Tons of alcohol and naked women. Condoms are also passed out. Not a pagan, but I went to chill out with them. IMO it was way better than christianity ever can be.

[Reverend Abnormal]

Wicca is (for the most part) a retarded trend and nothing more. Just a bunch of goths who think they have superpowers. It's like Scientology only dumber.

Stop saying "OMGZ WE DO MAGICK" because you don't. Yeah. STFU.

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[Reverend Abnormal]

quote:Originally posted by NeoIceshroom:

Well, you can't speak ƒor all Pagans you know. I am certianly not beyond summoning a demon on someone, but that's only if they piss me off. For the most part I use what abilities I do posess to help my friends and myself, not to harm others.

I know how you feel about the way christians preceive Paganism, but there is little that can be done to change that. Even beating the crap out oƒ one loud-mouthed christian may change the minds oƒ a ƒew, but never enough to make a diƒƒerence. Non-violent solutions as well have their limits, so I just don't bother with christians anymore. It seems there is nothing I can do or say to convince them that not all Pagans are evil, which isn't to say that some aren't, because there are certianly evil pagans in the world, just as their are evil people oƒ every single religion. Iƒ a christian tries to tell me what a pagan is, I simply laugh and walk away. It's no use argueing with a halƒ wit.

Can't you ƒucking use your ƒucking F KEY?!

[Lou Reed]

Hocus Pocus -

i'll do trick if you pull my finger!