My dear, Abrahim, you are flawed in your theories...

potentgirt · #1 2006-06-30, 20:30

I've told you this several times, but not thoroughly enough I guess, seeing the thread in B&M.

You cannot believe that God is reality, and call yourself a Christian/Catholic. Simply because, as Catholics, we believe that God created our reality, and most believe that that was the "Big Bang."

Now, a LOT of evidence goes toward the Big Bang theory, so much as it is almost fact in many minds, and I'm guesssing yours as well. Now being that God is an infinite being, as we Catholics believe, stating that God is reality, or just the clash of Catholicism and Pantheism is flawed. For there was a time when there was nothing but God. Yet if God was reality, then there would have been no God, thus rendering him non-infinite. Infinity has no beginning or end, but we believe reality does have both....

Please, reconsider all that you believe about God=reality.

Omar Abd Al-Qaadi · #2 2006-06-30, 20:49

he calls himself muslim

imperfectcircle · #3 2006-06-30, 20:52

This should be good. I've been working on a monster reply to Rust that I might was well just post here.

imperfectcircle · #4 2006-06-30, 20:53

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quote:Originally posted by potentgirt:

Please, reconsider all that you believe about God=reality.

You realise the implication of your request is to believe that God is not something?

potentgirt · #5 2006-06-30, 22:14

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quote:Originally posted by imperfectcircle:

You realise the implication of your request is to believe that God is notsomething?

tangible, or comprehensible by our means of reality

imperfectcircle · #6 2006-06-30, 22:56

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quote:Originally posted by potentgirt:

tangible, or comprehensible by our means of reality

Are you willing to think about it?

No matter how you look at it, if God is not reality, he cannot be infinite. If God is not ANYTHING he cannot be infinite.

Because infinity doesn't mean something that's forever expanding, if it that was the meaning of infinity, it could soon expand to fill up the empty spot left by rejecting Abrahim's definition.

But infinity isn't expanding. Because if it was increasing, whatever it is NOW is less than what it CAN be. And if it's less than it can be, it's not infinite.

So infinity must be unchanging. It must simply be everything - this is the hardest thought I have EVER wrapped by head around.

It must be everything in the past, everything in the future, everything in the present, everything that ever existed, will exist, everything that could conceivably exist and all of that is simply a teardrop in the ocean compared to what must be possible yet incomprehensible to an imagination that is bound by the arbitrary laws of logic that govern our universe, not to mention the computational ability of our brain.

EVERYTHING.

If god is infinite, there is nothing that he is not. There is nothing that is not a part of "infinity", or else "infinity" could not exist. And if "infinity" cannot exist, God cannot be infinite.

And if God cannot be infinite, something is conceivably greater than him - so how can he be "God"?

Rust · #7 2006-07-01, 00:18

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quote:Originally posted by imperfectcircle:

You realise the implication of your request is to believe that God is not something?

How in the world did you get that idea? God not being all of reality, doesn't mean that god is not something. Are you all of reality? By your logic, since you obviously aren't, you are not "something".

potentgirt · #8 2006-07-01, 00:23

You are taking the word "infinite" too far. I stated God as being an infinite being, not infinite in EVERY ASPECT. If we look at it through your eyes, then God is infinitely cruel, evil, and heartless, as well as infinitely kind...quite contradicting.

Because God created all things, He is before all things and beyond all things. He is not reality, He can't be confined to our definition of "real,"as in having to touch or feel Him.

"So infinity must be unchanging. It must simply be everything - this is the hardest thought I have EVER wrapped by head around."

I apologize that this is so hard to understand for you. But this is the mathematical definition more or less... God has no beginning or end, therefore He is infinite in that aspect.

And also, to claim that God IS the universe, or is IN the universe, says that God is not one being, and is not self-aware, which is obviously not true.

Catholicism is 100% AGAINST pantheism, and panentheism.

Niceguy · #9 2006-07-01, 00:24

Edit: reply to rust

God is infinite, therefore god is everything, therefore god is reality...and everything else as well.

imperfect circle is not infinite, reality is just one of the many things he isnt.

well, thats how i read it anyway

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imperfectcircle · #10 2006-07-01, 00:31

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quote:Originally posted by Rust:

How in the world did you get that idea? God not being all of reality, doesn't mean that god is not something. Are you all of reality? By your logic, since you obviously aren't, you are not "something".

Hello Captain Pedantic Semantic

You're gonna get roasted in the B&M thread. I still love you

But you piss me off just as much

Anyhow I'm personally taking a stance of disengagement from you in this thread. Consider it a victory if you want, I don't mind.

[This message has been edited by imperfectcircle (edited 07-01-2006).]