Religion and war.

[sybil]

They seem to go hand in hand, don't they. A perfect excuse to start a war. Let's not forget about Osama Bin Laden who started a so called "Jihad" (Holy war) against the west. Ofcourse this is just a cover up for something much larger then just his religion.

And lets not forget the ooh so holy President Bush Jr. who always says after his speaches, God bless us all or some crap like that. Making it appear that God condonnes(sp?) wars.

Religion has caused more pain and greef then anything else tru out history. It's just a cheap excuse to kill people.

[prozak_jack]

And your point? I *personally* like having an easy excuse to put a bullet in somebody's head.

[sybil]

quote:Originally posted by prozak_jack:

I *personally* like having an easy excuse to put a bullet in somebody's head.

Point proven, like I said, a cheap excuse to kill people.

[Abrahim]

If you took religion away, people would make other cheap and easy excuses to put bullets in heads. I wouldn't blame religion, I'd blame people.

Also Jihad means "To Strive". It doesn't really mean Holy War: Performing Jihad = Being a Muslim and Following the Qur'an, which reccomends you strive in the way of right action, as an upright human being, giving charity and saying your prayers.

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[Overman]

Yes, but if you took religion away, insane people who murder or incite murder wouldn’t be able to hide behind this barricade protected by the government due to political correctness, and the insane people - note: I am not saying all religious people, just the violent ones - would more easily be put to a stop.

[sybil]

quote:Originally posted by Abrahim:

If you took religion away, people would make other cheap and easy excuses to put bullets in heads. I wouldn't blame religion, I'd blame people.

If you took religion away, there'd be another excuse indeed, but it's here to stay...

The fact of the matter is, it's helping nobody. Lot's of people living in an illusion because they need something to hold on to. Other people, who absolutly do not believe, tell these extreem believers, you go blow yourself up somewhere and you'll go to heaven, while it's about money and power. Religion is alot like money, it gives power to certaint people, even the power to start a war, using the believers as puppets.

[jsaxton14]

quote:Originally posted by Abrahim:

If you took religion away, people would make other cheap and easy excuses to put bullets in heads. I wouldn't blame religion, I'd blame people.

If I convinced a child to murder someone, and that child actually followed through with the murder, would my hands be clean? No, of course not. Whether you want to believe it or not, the Christian God tries to convince his children to slay one another. Here is an example of such a verse:

[Leviticus 20:9] "For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him."

Furthermore, the Bible is full of tales of God telling his chosen people to slaughter others. Take Numbers 31, for example, in which God orders the genocide of the Midianites, or Genesis 19, in which God personally destroys Sodom and Gomorrah for their sin. Such genocide was the inspiration for atrocities such as the Inquisition.

Another way in which religion differs from other causes of war is in the way in which it trivializes death. Thanks to religion, we no longer have to worry about death. When we die, we go to a place far better than this one and God rewards us for our atrocities! If people believed that they had only one life to live, and that it was up to them to live it to the fullest, surely no one would be stupid enough to squander it dying for a trivial cause (ie: oil).

If religion didn't exist, perhaps we would find other causes to fight for, but we certainly wouldn't find people stupid enough to put their lives on the line for such silly causes. It is ridiculous to claim that religion isn't the primary cause of war.

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[Abrahim]

quote:Originally posted by jsaxton14:

If I convinced a child to murder someone, and that child actually followed through with the murder, would my hands be clean? No, of course not. Whether you want to believe it or not, the Christian God tries to convince his children to slay one another. Here is an example of such a verse:

[Leviticus 20:9] "For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him."

Furthermore, the Bible is full of tales of God telling his chosen people to slaughter others. Take Numbers 31, for example, in which God orders the genocide of the Midianites, or Genesis 19, in which God personally destroys Sodom and Gomorrah for their sin. Such genocide was the inspiration for atrocities such as the Inquisition.

Another way in which religion differs from other causes of war is in the way in which it trivializes death. Thanks to religion, we no longer have to worry about death. When we die, we go to a place far better than this one and God rewards us for our atrocities! If people believed that they had only one life to live, and that it was up to them to live it to the fullest, surely no one would be stupid enough to squander it dying for a trivial cause (ie: oil).

If religion didn't exist, perhaps we would find other causes to fight for, but we certainly wouldn't find people stupid enough to put their lives on the line for such silly causes. It is ridiculous to claim that religion isn't the primary cause of war.

Tell me about the Vietnamese.

[jsaxton14]

quote:Originally posted by Abrahim:

Tell me about the Vietnamese.

All my Hmong/Vietnamese friends are religious. What point are you trying to make?

[Graemy]

no war and no murder has been done in the name of buddha buddhists from different sects will practice together without a second thought the chan buddhists at the shaolin monastery had a cool excuse for beating people up first the person who was beat up has to attack first but their excuse was the person was offering a gift of pain and they refused it and gave it back prrof that if religion won't give a good excuse we will make one up

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