Jews vs Christians

[Bruce4444]

over the 17 years of my life i have witnessed many christians insult jews due to the whole jesus died for them thing. im sick and tired of this shit. i am a catholic, yes i am part of the most judgemental religion. I am sick and tired of jews being insulted. Jesus died for their sins and that is why we should treat them equally with respect because then the death of jesus would have been useless if the people he loved had become hated by his followers. For all the descriminated jews on behalf of the christian people. i am sorry for our ignorance

[LostCause]

There's a big part of me that wants to send this to Bitch & Moan. But, whatever...

Cheers,

Lost

[Dre Crabbe]

quote:Originally posted by LostCause:

There's a big part of me that wants to send this to Bitch & Moan. But, whatever...

Cheers,

Lost

Why? At least here it could turn into a decent thread, B&M would just transform it into a flamefest.

Besides, he makes a good point. I'm officially catholic myself, and I am tired about protestants bitching about everybody else, catholics included. Practically all popes from modern times have promoted tolerance for other religions, so any decent catholic would not whine about jews killing their messiah, because:

1. The jews were forgiven the instant they "killed" Christ.

(2. Jesus went to fucking heaven anyway.)



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[postdiluvium]

Actually since Pope John Paul II, we Catholics have embraced the Jews as our bretheren. Sure their are some Catholics that are extremely conservative to their religion, but for the most part we do not see Jews as the enemy anymore, or are not suppose to atleast.

Yes, the protestants still see us as an enemy like we used to see Jews... [joking] but all and all, just thank God you aren't a Jehovah's Witness. [/joking]

[Graemy]

wasn't jesus a jew?

[Cooking with Zyklon B]

quote:Originally posted by Bruce4444:

over the 17 years of my life i have witnessed many christians insult jews due to the whole jesus died for them thing. im sick and tired of this shit. i am a catholic, yes i am part of the most judgemental religion. I am sick and tired of jews being insulted. Jesus died for their sins and that is why we should treat them equally with respect because then the death of jesus would have been useless if the people he loved had become hated by his followers. For all the descriminated jews on behalf of the christian people. i am sorry for our ignorance

It's often the ignorant that yell the loudest in a group of people, religion for this matter.

quote:Originally posted by Graemy:

wasn't jesus a jew?

That infact he was.

An interesting fact about the islamic religion is their take on jesus.

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[malaria]

quote:Originally posted by Graemy:

wasn't jesus a jew?

According to Christianity, no. Jesus was God, and even though he was born to a Jew, Mary was the vessel of sorts.

For example, when water comes out of a pitcher, you don't call it a pitcher. See what I am saying?

Of course, if you are not Christian, then yes he was an ethnic Jew and reform-oriented religions Jew.

[karma_sleeper]

Becuase Jesus' first followers and the apostles were Jews, many people thought that his teachings were the completion of Judaism and therefore only meant for Jews. They thought they should only preach the message of Christ to Jews.

Later I think a couple of the apostles, I can't remember who, decided that they should preach to gentiles (non-Jews) as well.

@malaria: According to Christianity Jesus wasn't a Jew but God? What Christianity? Your narrow minded fundamentalism? You're a fucking retard. JESUS WAS A JEW. I don't know how to make that any clearer. It's a fact of history.

"when water comes out of a pitcher, you don't call it a pitcher." So when a Jewish boy is born of his Jewish mother he isn't called a Jew?

[malaria]

quote:Originally posted by karma_sleeper:

Becuase Jesus' first followers and the apostles were Jews, many people thought that his teachings were the completion of Judaism and therefore only meant for Jews. They thought they should only preach the message of Christ to Jews.

Later I think a couple of the apostles, I can't remember who, decided that they should preach to gentiles (non-Jews) as well.

@malaria: According to Christianity Jesus wasn't a Jew but God? What Christianity? Your narrow minded fundamentalism? You're a fucking retard. JESUS WAS A JEW. I don't know how to make that any clearer. It's a fact of history.

"when water comes out of a pitcher, you don't call it a pitcher." So when a Jewish boy is born of his Jewish mother he isn't called a Jew?

Not when said "Jewish boy" is God. I am not Christian, by the way. And Jesus himself said to preach only to Jews, not Samaritans or Gentiles.

[Abrahim]

Here is the Islamic Take on Jesus:

Abraham was not a Jew nor yet a Christian but he was an upright man and one who had submitted (to the will of God)(the definition of Muslim is "one who has submitted (to the will of God))

Jesus and Mary and Zakariya and Yaya and all those people were not Jews either.

The Qur'an differenciates between Jews (Yahudi) and the ancient Tribe of the B'nei Israel who were in Africa (The Qur'an doesn't specify Africa but "Civilization")

I believe they were in Pre Babylonian/Pre Egyptian Northern and Eastern Africa in early civilization, their remnants can still be found in some tribes in the region who also posess similar ancient traditions.

In any case Mary was raised and brought up around pious men and prophets like Zakariya, who raised her, they lived in a sanctuary somewhere and they were dealing with the tribe called the B'nei Israel who had just prior dealt with Musa and the exodus from Civilization (the Qur'an doesn't specify Egypt and the story of Moses appears prior to Babylon, Babylon has an almost identicle story and so does Akkadia all which speak of events as if prior to Babylon and thus prior to Egypt.)

So Mary was a pious girl and was righteous and did good and gifts and miracles were bestowed upon her and one day a messenger (Maliaka/Angel) appeared to her and gave her the message that she was to have a son born to her and his name would be Isa. She wondered how she could have a son since no man had touched her but the messenger said that for God it is only Be and it is.

And so it was, she gave birth to Isa and he was, by the help of a maliaka able to speak as a baby and a child to the amazement of the people. He preached the message of the One God and had arrived to correct the B'nei Israel after they had corrupted to the Taurath of Musa and edited and added it to the point of loss of the message. Isa brought the book known as the Injeel (now lost). The B'Nei Israel (and I dont believe this was happening in Roman times at all) disliked that Isa was attempted to ruin their traditions and captured him and had hoped to kill him.

Isa prayed to God to be saved from them and so he was, and he escaped, dying in his place was either another person who they thought was him or an illusion of somekind, and they all believed they had killed Isa but they hadn't, and he and his mother escaped.

The explanation is that like Adam was created from scratch pretty much, so too was Isa. Furthermore, Jesus taught the message of all the prophets prior to him, worship and submission to the One God, Islam, and to do right.

The most important part in which Christianity and Islam conflict in the Jesus story is that Islam claims Jesus didn't die on the cross, thus removing the entire "He died for our sins" business. Also Islam explains God is not a man, nor a father, nor a son, and is far beyond having sons, but that God is the all encompassing Reality, the creator, surrounding everything, within and without, what all are dependant on, not some being in the image of man.