The Ultimate Absurdity of Christianity

[Raw_Power]

quote:At the same time that Christians claim to worship God as an omnipotent, omnipresent, omnibenevolent being, they make him out to be incompetent bumbler. Or worse. Simple forgiveness is beyond his capacities. God must "sacrifice himself to himself to change a rule he made himself!"

This is not only an absurdity, it is an essential absurdity. It is present in almost all forms of Christianity, and one can scarcely remove it and remain a Christian in anything but name. By definition, all Christians worship Christ - in some form - and most worship him as a saviour.

But what, exactly, is he saving us from? Though it varies from church to church, no matter what they call it, it's God himself. A hell created by God, a world fallen as a result of God's negligence, a separation from God imposed... by God.

Christianity certainly isn't the first religion to promote appeasement of its gods, and if it were merely another supernatural protection racket, it would be bad enough. Unfortunately, it doesn't stop there. Christians elevate appeasement to the realm of "personal relationship", transforming their religion into a true monstrosity.

This is the type of "relationship" that abused wives have with their husbands, that brainwashed hostages have with their captors. It is known in clinical circles as Stockholm Syndrome. Should it come as any surprise that the cries of the church, "The Bride of Christ" sound much like the cries of an abused wife attempting to protect her husband?

"He must beat me."

"I deserve it."

"He has no choice."

"It's for my own good."

These excuses don't work for human abusers, and they work even less well for God. For if God is omnipotent, he must have a choice. And if we are flawed, we are only flawed because that is the way he made us. (No excuses that we ruined his perfect creation. A truly perfect creation does not self-destruct.)

If the Christian God does exist - and I see no reason to believe that he does - he's not worthy of the name.

And that is the ultimate absurdity of Christianity.

[jsaxton14]

I've had many of those thoughts myself, although I'm not sure if it is fair to claim that a relationship between man and God is like that between a abused-wife and her husband. It was still a good read, however. Where did you find it?

[Abrahim]

Excellent post.

[smallpox champion]

I've heard a Christian say that God sending a non-believer to Hell is an ultimate act of love, because he is following through with his word.

The first thing I thought was that this person has a really messed up view on what love is. It really is likened to an abusive relationship.

[phoenix05]

The church is the biggest bullshiter ever. And lets not forget the Bible was written by man. Not God.

[Truth is all]

Must we be so arrogant as to miss evil? For we live in it and many times participate in it everyday. It is God's grace that is given to us that He did not just start over, but allows us to live. The only cure for death is to die my friends. The Lord God did indeed allow all this to happen and in that is his love. No man is perfect unless you are arogant enough to claim so, which still would not make you perfect, just arrogant. Therefore since He did allow men to live on in their evil ways He had to find a way to come to them and give them true life yet again, but this way had to be of their own will, for He grants all men that beautiful yet wretched free will. Therefore He came down to us in His mercy, and gave His only Son to die, that death might be defeated and sin taken away. For if He brought us up to Himself we would surely die, for to witness true holiness and see our true wretchedness is death in itself. So do not so quickly think that God is not able to do great things, but consider that all things He does for our benefit. For it is more like the faithful husband that has an adultress for a wife, and when she is diseased, broken and beaten from the lusts she so freely follows crawls back and asks for that beautiful gift of grace, and He grants it everytime. Therefore He is worthy of the name above all names. So please, refrain from such hatred and think things through.

[Raw_Power]

quote:Originally posted by Truth is all:

Must we be so arrogant as to miss evil? For we live in it and many times participate in it everyday. It is God's grace that is given to us that He did not just start over, but allows us to live. The only cure for death is to die my friends. The Lord God did indeed allow all this to happen and in that is his love. No man is perfect unless you are arogant enough to claim so, which still would not make you perfect, just arrogant. Therefore since He did allow men to live on in their evil ways He had to find a way to come to them and give them true life yet again, but this way had to be of their own will, for He grants all men that beautiful yet wretched free will. Therefore He came down to us in His mercy, and gave His only Son to die, that death might be defeated and sin taken away. For if He brought us up to Himself we would surely die, for to witness true holiness and see our true wretchedness is death in itself. So do not so quickly think that God is not able to do great things, but consider that all things He does for our benefit. For it is more like the faithful husband that has an adultress for a wife, and when she is diseased, broken and beaten from the lusts she so freely follows crawls back and asks for that beautiful gift of grace, and He grants it everytime. Therefore He is worthy of the name above all names. So please, refrain from such hatred and think things through.

Evil is God's fault, unless he doesn't have free will. He knows everything that's going to happen, and since he knew evil was going to happen he could of stopped it. In fact, if god can do anything he can make a world for us to live in where there is no evil.

[Dark_Magneto]

I believe that is called "Heaven".

Of course, fundies will feed you copious amounts of bullshit about how evil is necessary for free will to exist, but they never really think it through because that logically implies that their heaven will either a) have evil or b) lack free will.

[Truth is all]

lol ok God said to adam and eve, Do not eat from that tree. They did, thus evil came into the world. Evil was done by man's volition. Now if God would have stopped evil then He would have killed us in the process because we are born in sin. He could have just offed adam and eve right there and started over, but instead He wanted you to live that you might hear his message and live. Again, God allows evil because if He did not, then judgement day would be upon us and all are guilty. By the way God hates evil, so you are very right to hate it as well, He is in agreement with you.

[iamtheRichard]

if jesus didnt want to get crucified, why didnt he just use his magic powers to get himself out of it?