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quote:Originally posted by Martini:
1. Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
2. If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
Do you believe that he said these things? Sounds like a real sweetheart.
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No he did not say those things, they "represent the perspective or content of a later or different tradition" - The Five Gospels, What Did Jesus Really Say? THE search for the authentic words of Jesus, New Translation and Commentary By Robert W. Funk, Roy W. Hoover, And THE JESUS SEMINAR
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quote:Originally posted by Martini:
1. Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
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Martini you seem to have taken both these verses out of context to support your own preconceived, apparently biased, point of view("Sounds like a real sweetheart"). Take your first verse from Matthew 10:34 as an example, here is the context:
"34"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35For I have come to turn
" 'a man against his father,
a daughter against her mother,
a daughter-in-law against her motherinlaw—
36a man's enemies will be the members of his own household.'"
The context is clearly regarding family conflict, here's what the scholars say:
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Peace or a sword. The saying about family feuds is based on a passage in the prophet Micah(7:5-6), which reads: You see a son dishonours his father, a daughter stands up against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. A person's enemies are all members of the same household.
The claim that Jesus deliberately creates conflict would seem to contradict other sayings of Jesus in which he recommends unqualified love(for example, Matt.5:43-48*). In this saying Jesus refers to himself in the first person, something the Fellows doubt that he did. For that reason, and because the saying is based on something the propet Micah said, the Fellows concluded that these sentences were formulated by the Christian community.
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quote:*Matt. 5: 43"You have heard that the law of Moses says, `Love your neighbor' and hate your enemy. 44But I say, love your enemies! Pray for those who persecute you! 45In that way, you will be acting as true children of your Father in heaven. For he gives his sunlight to both the evil and the good, and he sends rain on the just and on the unjust, too. 46If you love only those who love you, what good is that? Even corrupt tax collectors do that much. 47If you are kind only to your friends, how are you different from anyone else? Even pagans do that. 48But you are to be perfect, even as your Father in heaven is perfect.
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w33d posted a declaration of their faith and your immediate response is a negative attack. What is your purpose in this forum? What's in it for you? Why do you always attack but never contribute positively?
Namaste
