does your god know the future?

[Levo75]

if it does your belief takes away your freedom of choice.sinds if something can be predicted in theory it allready happened.

i got this from an argument i had with my sister(shes a muslim,i'm an atheist)she told me god,allah is allmighty and all knowing,he knows all that happpened in the past,now and the future. then i said the future?now look at me,if god knows your future. you wont have any choice to do something because god allready knows whats going to happen and then it will be predecided if you go to heaven or hell.You can't be more wrong!

[Obbe]

you think time is linear?

[Z]

I bet she knows a lot of things, but I don't think she worries too much.

What you are speaking of though is the paradox of omnipotence, personally I don't believe any being can be almighty.

[Frontier Psychiatrist]

quote:Originally posted by Z:

What you are speaking of though is the paradox of omnipotence...

"Knowing everything" would be omniscience.

[Z]

quote:Originally posted by Frontier Psychiatrist:

"Knowing everything" would be omniscience.

But we are speaking of so-called omnipotent beings, and you can't have omnipotence without omniscience (should you be able to do anything, you should also be able to acquire any information, thus making you omniscent).

[ArmsMerchant]

quote:Originally posted by Obbe:

you think time is linear?

Good point. In the highest reality, there is no time, eternity consists of a timeless moment.

Back to topic. . .my answer would yes and no. That is, my God COULD see the future but chooses not to, since it is more interesting to simply watch as his will is played out.

Like you are reading a novel--you COULD skip ahead and read the ending first, but what would be the point?

[Martini]

quote:Originally posted by Levo75:

if it does your belief takes away your freedom of choice.sinds if something can be predicted in theory it allready happened.

i got this from an argument i had with my sister(shes a muslim,i'm an atheist)she told me god,allah is allmighty and all knowing,he knows all that happpened in the past,now and the future. then i said the future?now look at me,if god knows your future. you wont have any choice to do something because god allready knows whats going to happen and then it will be predecided if you go to heaven or hell.You can't be more wrong!

Why can't you have free will if an omniscient being exists? If someone is psychic and can tell what others are going to do in the future, his ability doesn't take away others free will.

What I wrote above is just in theory of course. I don't believe in God, psychics or free will.

[Twisted_Ferret]

quote:Originally posted by Martini:

Why can't you have free will if an omniscient being exists? If someone is psychic and can tell what others are going to do in the future, his ability doesn't take away others free will.

What I wrote above is just in theory of course. I don't believe in God, psychics or free will.

If you know, for sure, 100% accurately, that I am going to drink water after I write this post... then how can I do anything but drink water? There's only one possible action left to me, or your knowledge would be false. It's not that omniscience causes free will to magically disappear; it's that any certain knowledge of the future is an indicator that no free will is operating in that universe.

[Martini]

quote:Originally posted by Twisted_Ferret:



If you know, for sure, 100% accurately, that I am going to drink water after I write this post... then how can I do anything but drink water?

If there is such a thing as free will, and I am a psychic who can see the future, and I have a 100% accuracy rate, my seeing the future of what choice you will make does not take away the fact that you are the one to make the choice. The fact that I have a power that enables me to see what choices people end up making before they actually make them, does not change the fact that those choices were made of others own free will.

quote:Originally posted by Twisted_Ferret:



There's only one possible action left to me, or your knowledge would be false.

As a psychic, part of my knowledge would be the awareness that you have free will to do what you want; I just happen to know what you want before you do.

[Levo75]

thank you all this really enlightened my point of view.

i still think that if there is a god and it is is omnipitent and has/knows omniscience (wich means he can or knows the future) that everything allready happened in theory wich means we are all in some kind of predestined road of actions and choices.

off course if god exists wich i still really doubt.