Did Jesus survive the crucifixion?

[ArmsMerchant]

Granted, this is a non-issue to most of the planet--Jews, Muslims, Hindus and so forth. But to most of us in the west, it is kinda important.

There are more and more biblical scholars who contend that he did, in fact, survive the crucifixion. And that idea is based on scripture. Not the English translation of a translation of a translation, of course--the Greek original.

Here's the thing--after the crucifixion, Joseph of Arimathea went to Pilate and asked to see the body of Jesus, and was given permission. Thing is, this gospel was written in Greek, and Greek has two different, but similar owrds, for "body"--one means a living body, the other means a corpse. Joseph used one word, Pilate used the other--but when this gospel was translated into Vulgate Latin, the two different words were translated as "corpus"--that is, "corpse."

I apologize for the lack of precison here. I looked for the book I read this in to get the details right, but it was checked out, and I thought this was too interesting to put off.

[Elephantitis Man]

If he survived, does that mean we get to crucify him again?

[deus-redux]

Either way, appearing to come back from the dead or surviving crucification does NOT make him the son of God.

Even if Jesus did all it is said he did, that wouldn't make him the son of God, just an excellent magician.

-deus-

[Viraljimmy]

But Jesus' magic tricks were for real.

That proves the bible is legit.

Everybody else is just imitation.

[nametag]

thats a stupid argument to make, simply because of the fact that you cant know if they were real or not, as there is no proof, other than the new testament of the bible, which happens to be very biased in his favor.

[redzed]

It's an interesting thought, and not exactly original, there are books and sites, there's even a tomb in India. http://www.tombofjesus.com/BookReviews.htm

Some have postulated that whilst Jesus was in India during his youth and early adult years( http://reluctant-messenger.com/issa.htm ) he learned the secrets of suspended animation.

Yogananda writes a lot about this citing historical sources including an account by a British military officer who recounts a Maharrajah having the coffins of some gurus who had been buried years before, disinterred and the occupants revived! As unlikely as that may sound we know from modern medical science that it is possible to revive apparently dead people long after their seeming death. Despite his wounds it may be the sop given to Jesus on the cross contained a stupefying agent that knocked him out giving the appearance of death and quick action on the part of his followers to whisk him away out of sight until the effects of the drug wore off and he revived. The ointments and treatments applied to his body in the gospel stories could well be based on the treatments used to heal his wounds.

If one accepts the premise that Jesus life is based upon an historical character who gave rise to a myth, modified many times to suit the purposes of a wide cross section of societies, it seems the claimed miraculous nature of the resurrection may have been based on a clever ruse.

It's true that Apostle Paul said the xian faith was futile if the resurrection was not a fact, that a believer would be pitied if it were not so, that there would be no hope. Is that so?

What if the metaphor was about the surrender of the ego? That as the illusions are created by the ego in the metaphorical garden of eden, the surrender of the ego, "not my will be done but thine", in the garden of gethsemane is about each of us and acceptance of the existence of a unity in which it is possible to say "I and my Father are One". 'There is no seperate existence between I and the Universe of which my being is composed'.

Namaste

[Viraljimmy]

quote:Originally posted by nametag:

thats a stupid argument to make

No, think about it.

The magic tricks prove the bible is true,

and the bible says the magic tricks were

for real. The bible and the magic tricks

show that jesus was the son of god, and

he told us in the bible to believe in

magic tricks. You just have to think

in a circle, and it makes perfect sense.

[MasterPython]

quote:Originally posted by ArmsMerchant:

Granted, this is a non-issue to most of the planet--Jews, Muslims, Hindus and so forth. But to most of us in the west, it is kinda important.

There are Hindus that beleive in Jesus and Muslims don't like it when people bad mouth The Prophet Jesus.

[Source]

quote:Originally posted by ArmsMerchant:

Granted, this is a non-issue to most of the planet--Jews, Muslims, Hindus and so forth. But to most of us in the west, it is kinda important.

There are more and more biblical scholars who contend that he did, in fact, survive the crucifixion. And that idea is based on scripture. Not the English translation of a translation of a translation, of course--the Greek original.

Here's the thing--after the crucifixion, Joseph of Arimathea went to Pilate and asked to see the body of Jesus, and was given permission. Thing is, this gospel was written in Greek, and Greek has two different, but similar owrds, for "body"--one means a living body, the other means a corpse. Joseph used one word, Pilate used the other--but when this gospel was translated into Vulgate Latin, the two different words were translated as "corpus"--that is, "corpse."

I apologize for the lack of precison here. I looked for the book I read this in to get the details right, but it was checked out, and I thought this was too interesting to put off.

You claim God talks to you, so why are you asking us?

[This message has been edited by Source (edited 09-22-2006).]

[ArmsMerchant]

quote:Originally posted by MasterPython:

There are Hindus that beleive in Jesus and Muslims don't like it when people bad mouth The Prophet Jesus.

Correct. Many people, including myself, accept that there was the historical person Jesus, and that he was one of many people sent by God to enlighten others, but who do not buy the myths about him.

"Prophet," not deity.