Why Atheists and Theists are both wrong

[VegetaRobGT]

There is no god in a conventional sense, the universe itself is god and is alive. The human mind has nothing to do with a soul. Everything is created of energy and energy cannot be created or destroyed, energy itself is life, adam and eve is a single celled organism that eventually evolved into what we are today. When we die our memories, thoughts, experiences and physcial body all die to but they do not go extinct and there is something beyond the physical body that makes someone who they are, whether it is immortal or not is irrelevant (exe. even if this "soul" lasts 200 years there is life before and after death. The soul is sort of like a wavelength that controls a toy car, the exact frequency controlling the car makes it move forward and backward and turn around, if you have two remotes they will both control the car at the same time, if you get the frequency of a human exactly right two or more "remotes" can control them at the same time. These remotes are our collective concious and possibly extend beyond what science can prove thusfar but are not necesarily unprovable. When you die and rot, your conscience lives on but seperates into multiple entities. It is possible that in the future the exact same frequency combines together again and you are reborn. Why must there be a soul? Because every three months ALL of the atoms in our body are exchanged with other atoms- we are physically not the same person though concience and DNA says we are still the same person, and we can still experience life. Twins do not do exactly the same thing as each other and experience life as seperate entities and seperate conciousnesses although they are exactly the same through DNA, what makes one themself and the other themself is the soul.

[Death of a Nation]

Say NO to drugs.

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[zik]

What you're speaking of is Pantheism, which is pretty much a variant of atheism. Atheism is a lack of belief in a deity. A deity is a preternatural being. That means it is outside of nature. So therefore Atheism is no real objection to a natural god.

[the dillinger escape plan]

quote:Originally posted by VegetaRobGT:

There is no god in a conventional sense, the universe itself is god and is alive. The human mind has nothing to do with a soul. Everything is created of energy and energy cannot be created or destroyed, energy itself is life, adam and eve is a single celled organism that eventually evolved into what we are today. When we die our memories, thoughts, experiences and physcial body all die to but they do not go extinct and there is something beyond the physical body that makes someone who they are, whether it is immortal or not is irrelevant (exe. even if this "soul" lasts 200 years there is life before and after death. The soul is sort of like a wavelength that controls a toy car, the exact frequency controlling the car makes it move forward and backward and turn around, if you have two remotes they will both control the car at the same time, if you get the frequency of a human exactly right two or more "remotes" can control them at the same time. These remotes are our collective concious and possibly extend beyond what science can prove thusfar but are not necesarily unprovable. When you die and rot, your conscience lives on but seperates into multiple entities. It is possible that in the future the exact same frequency combines together again and you are reborn. Why must there be a soul? Because every three months ALL of the atoms in our body are exchanged with other atoms- we are physically not the same person though concience and DNA says we are still the same person, and we can still experience life. Twins do not do exactly the same thing as each other and experience life as seperate entities and seperate conciousnesses although they are exactly the same through DNA, what makes one themself and the other themself is the soul.

Whoop-dee--Fuking--DOO!!!

Einstein and many other scientists who were atheists have regarded the universe as God before you where a gamete swimming around in your fathers A septum.

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[VegetaRobGT]

Yeah, that's cause it's true.

[Raw_Power]

So what kind of pantheist are you? I'm a naturalist pantheist, like Spinoza.

[Elsrick]

Lets take everything you said in a literal sense.

If what you say is true, then it is somehow possible to remove our mind from our physical body and place it in another's entity. That would also mean that telepathy is possible and all of the other cool sci-fi things that have to do with mind control and memory clearing is true. The world is currently in a golden age of technology and none of this has been done. I'm not saying it is not possible but it is highly improbable. There has never been a credible recorded event of any of these things happening. Humans have been around for thousands of years, and there are currently over six-billion people on this planet and would that not put the odds of someone, ANYONE, doing something of this sort beyond reasonable doubt?

Yep, this is just me ranting.

[socratic]

Usually it helps to provide evidence or at least sign of forethought before rambling on about bastardised Pantheism.

[VegetaRobGT]

There has been some evidence supporting the paranormal events such as near death out of body experiences and physchic mediums guessing about things with about 80-90 percent accuracy. The problem is that Scientists tend to dismiss anything relating to paranormal, they commonly won't fund it, dismiss it without proof or disproof. Something semi-paranormal happened to me and my friend- we had an ouija board, flipped it upside down so we couldn't see the letters and kept asking it questions and getting full phrase answers everytime, this doesn't prove much I don't know how to scientifically explain it. I wish I had a better example, I am still looking into pyschic stuff and paranormal activity trying to find solid proof, so far NDEs and Pyschic Mediums are the closest proof. Technology still has a ways to go and nothing is more advanced or complex than immortality.

Does this make sense, I suck with math. http://www.sfu.ca/~jeffpell/Phil350/PhaedoProof.pdf

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[Daz]

quote:There is no god in a conventional sense, the universe itself is god

With that quote, and the title of this topic all you have achieved is to change the traditional definition of God to something that already has a name (the universe) and then claim that every opinion about 'God' is wrong; even though they were based on the old definition.

quote:Because every three months ALL of the atoms in our body are exchanged with other atoms

Not true at all.

quote:Twins do not do exactly the same thing as each other and experience life as seperate entities and seperate conciousnesses although they are exactly the same through DNA

Twins usually have different DNA.

quote:what makes one themself and the other themself is the soul.

What about the deterministic effect that the external world has on the development of a human brain?

You do not even give good logical arguments to back up your opinion.