Raping of the pagen religions by Christianity

[among_the_living]

"Next lets talk about Mithra. He was born of a virgin on December 25th, was called "the good shepherd" and was also called "the way, the truth and the light." He even had twelve disciples and dined at a "last supper" with them before his death on a cross. He was buried in a tomb, rose after three days and then was resurrected. He had a Eucharist which was celebrated by the eating of bread and wine"

"Krishna, who's name is suspiciously similar, was born of the virgin goddess, Devaki. His birth was attended by angels, wise men and shepherds, and he was presented with gold, frankincense and myrrh. He had a carpenter for a father and was persecuted by a tyrant who tried to have him killed by executing thousands of infants. He was baptized in the river Ganges, worked miracles and wonders, raised the dead and healed lepers, the deaf and the blind."

There are so many other pagan and Roman gods of which their lives were just stolen and used for "Jesus"

What are your thoughts on this? Do you think a lot of Christians will know this or if you are a Christian are you shocked that your religion is a miss match of parts stolen from others?

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[Hexadecimal]

Learn to differentiate the theology from the religion. The theology is plagiarized, the religion is based upon water tight philosophy.

[Hare_Geist]

quote:Originally posted by Hexadecimal:

Learn to differentiate the theology from the religion. The theology is plagiarized, the religion is based upon water tight philosophy.

What philosophy? The moral philosophy is terrible if treated as absolute, and the "do unto others" bit had been said before be loads of people around before Jesus.

[among_the_living]

quote:Originally posted by Hexadecimal:

Learn to differentiate the theology from the religion. The theology is plagiarized, the religion is based upon water tight philosophy.

Basing something on philosophy in SOME parts of the bible may be nice, the golden rule and such, but does that make it TRUE. No

[Hexadecimal]

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The philosophy that spawned the OT is such: Reality cannot be known in its entirety. What people know of reality is subjective to experience. Because of this, it is arrogant to judge others, and it is arrogant to treat anything as if it were equal to reality. Right here, you have the basis that God is the judge and that idolatry is wrong.

Now, being as most people are morons, this philosophy had to be warped into theology. The story of Adam and Eve is symbolic of free will being the source of pride - which is the source of treating our subjective knowledge as real knowledge. Through treating subjective knowledge as real, humanity sins by judging others against delusions. Various theologies meant to enforce non-judgement exist (No gods before God - don't treat your worthless creations as a god, they aren't reality; I am a jealous God, in fact, my name means Jealous; God tells the Jews that they need no King, as he is their only superior).

Now, don't get me wrong, I'm well aware that fear mongering is well evident in both the OT and NT...but I find that it's entirely unrelated to the two consistent stressings of each and every book of the Bible: God Is; We are not God. The objective, that cannot be known by our subjective experiences, is God. That is the religion. The theology, the dogma, is totally useless crap that does the very thing the religion speaks against (treating ourselves as objective). Such is the reality of men; we take something good, honest, and true and use it to a wicked end.

[among_the_living]

quote:Originally posted by Hexadecimal:

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The philosophy that spawned the OT is such: Reality cannot be known in its entirety. What people know of reality is subjective to experience. Because of this, it is arrogant to judge others, and it is arrogant to treat anything as if it were equal to reality. Right here, you have the basis that God is the judge and that idolatry is wrong.

Now, being as most people are morons, this philosophy had to be warped into theology. The story of Adam and Eve is symbolic of free will being the source of pride - which is the source of treating our subjective knowledge as real knowledge. Through treating subjective knowledge as real, humanity sins by judging others against delusions. Various theologies meant to enforce non-judgement exist (No gods before God - don't treat your worthless creations as a god, they aren't reality; I am a jealous God, in fact, my name means Jealous; God tells the Jews that they need no King, as he is their only superior).

Now, don't get me wrong, I'm well aware that fear mongering is well evident in both the OT and NT...but I find that it's entirely unrelated to the two consistent stressings of each and every book of the Bible: God Is; We are not God. The objective, that cannot be known by our subjective experiences, is God. That is the religion. The theology, the dogma, is totally useless crap that does the very thing the religion speaks against (treating ourselves as objective). Such is the reality of men; we take something good, honest, and true and use it to a wicked end.

Philosophy isn't theology, spouting the bibles philosophical relevance or importance doesn't make the religion true, i was merely pointing out how a lot of this is copies from other sources.

[Hexadecimal]

quote:Originally posted by among_the_living:

Philosophy isn't theology, spouting the bibles philosophical relevance or importance doesn't make the religion true, i was merely pointing out how a lot of this is copies from other sources.

'Philosophy isn't theology' is the very point I was making. Religion is the belief that is based upon philosophy - theology is the belief based upon assimilation. The irrational qualities of an idea are present in all mainstream ideas, transforming it from a personally sought revelation (philosophy) into a thought-restricting meme (theology).

Look at all of the great philosophies of history, then look at what became of them after they went mainstream: they turned from the realm of freedom to the realm of control.

[Hare_Geist]

You realize, right, that theology is nothing more than reasoned discourse concerning religion, spirituality and gods?

It seems to me it's not theology you dislike, but mass, organized religion based around a school of thought (such as Calvinism) that is the outcome of theology.

If you didn't like theology, you wouldn't be in My God where people discuss things such as God's omniscience's relation with freewill, etc. etc, because that right there is theology.



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[BlackEagle67]

isnt it kinda funny that no christians have replied?well...maybe one but you get my drift

[among_the_living]

What my point was, Christianity as a whole is based off of many other religions, they're basically being deceived by their bible and such into thinking this is the one true faith and they will all be saved...when in fact they may as well worship any number of other things and still have the same story.

This isn't a theology Vs Philosophy debate, its a thread stating how Christianity as a whole is fake.