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My God Can Beat the Shit Out of Your God For discussing any and all religious viewpoints. Intolerance will not be tolerated. Keeping your sense of humor is required. Posting messages about theological paradoxes is encouraged.

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Old 2007-01-31, 03:39
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"God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them."

It is impossible for aliens to exist if we believe in a god as christianity defines it. If god was a supernatural being, the master of the universe and the ruler of all, he would not have made multiple societies on planets throughout the universe. The bible tells us that we are unique and special in this regard.

Man is special in that he is made in the image of god, however, he is endowed with freewill.

These basic christian principles contradict with the belief that "aliens"- higher beings of non-human origin somewehre out in the galaxy, exist.

However, if you don't beleive in the bible, all sorts of interesting possibilities pop up.

Christianity = No aliens.

Open Mindedness = a univers full of possibilities.

Perhaps its time we redefined our spiritual stance as a planetary species?
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Old 2007-01-31, 04:38
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I was talking to this (overtly) Christian girl one time and her reasoning for believing that aliens "probably do not exist" was that she felt humans are "special" and that the "gift of life was granted to us and only us".

What a load of shit.

I should have told her that even if the probability of life coming about on a planet is a billion to one, and there are 300 billion galaxies in the universe, life will still occur in 300 of them, not to mention there are 200-400 billion stars per galaxy, each with the possibility of multiple planets orbiting them, increasing the odds even more.

Though, I suppose one should also take into account that dual star systems will most likely never support life, gaseous planets, and all other sorts of variables, but the odds are still, in my opinion, incredibly in favor of there being some type of life somewhere else in the universe.
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Old 2007-01-31, 07:13
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That's ridiculous because Christians believe that God created the entire universe. Why would he create so much potential for life, but then just leave it all empty? They're not just shiny stars for us to stare at.
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Old 2007-01-31, 12:01
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It never says that God only created man and woman in His image. It also never says physical image. The quote could be referring to mental image (the fact that we are sentient).
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Old 2007-01-31, 21:33
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quote:Originally posted by bung:

but the odds are still, in my opinion, incredibly in favor of there being some type of life somewhere else in the universe.

Like I said in the other alien thread, nobody knows the odds for life on other planets. Anybody who says otherwise is full of shit.
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Old 2007-01-31, 22:02
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Yeah the bible never says anything about god creating life on another planet, most likely because the writers of the bible wrote it in a time when earth was still considered to be the center of the universe.

Basically, christianity is dead. The possibility of a god still exists, but in light of these new questions that science has provided us with, the bible is just too riddled with holes to be the perfect good book.

There is much more out there than what the limited scope of christianity reveals to us.
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Old 2007-01-31, 23:45
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quote:Originally posted by samurai_steve:

Yeah the bible never says anything about god creating life on another planet, most likely because the writers of the bible wrote it in a time when earth was still considered to be the center of the universe.

Basically, christianity is dead. The possibility of a god still exists, but in light of these new questions that science has provided us with, the bible is just too riddled with holes to be the perfect good book.

There is much more out there than what the limited scope of christianity reveals to us.
I ask this out of curiosity, not disagreement, but could you please enlighten me?

[This message has been edited by King_Cotton (edited 01-31-2007).]
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Old 2007-02-01, 00:43
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quote:Originally posted by King_Cotton:

I ask this out of curiosity, not disagreement, but could you please enlighten me?

Well this is just one perspective that i have, and im not saying its right or wrong, but i am concerned with the general direction of mankind these days... The world is divided by people with dissenting opinions.

Many people think that the united states is indirectly policing the world, making the world safe for democracy, the only godly form of government known to man.. I think it's safe to say that the typical american beleives that america is ruling under gods graces, and that all the senseless acts of war are justified.

There are also the people who say that there is no such thing as god, and that the existence of life is purely a product of scientific happenings. Because of the ability of humans to prove that the earth is more than 4 billion years old, it is impossible that the earth was created in 7 days, rendering the bible ficitonal.

Let's not forget the chinese, who were ruled under the iron thumb of a confucian style government, which requires the absolute consent of its citizens to the ruling power.

There many other popular styles of thinking, and every single one beleives that it's ways are correct and just. However, it is impossible to say that one style of thinking and living(religion)is just and another is not, because each style has it's own merit.

I beleive that every single person on the entire planet must compromise if we are to achieve the planetary peace required to reach into the stars and star to search for answers to the really important questions.

All religions, philosphies, ways of life, what have you, have a certain quality to them that makes them viable. What the planet needs is a flexible philosophy that can be adopted by all and accepted by all which will allow the planet to mature and grow into a galactic power.

I think that the philosophy i mentioned should go something like this:

- All life is precious, killing another human is never justifiable.

-knowldedge is the ultimate power in the universe, and as a species, we should seek out only the truest knowledge.

-cooperation is the only thing that will allow us to achieve anything worthwhile (cooperation: people or greater entities working in common with commonly agreed upon goals and possibly methods, instead of working separately in competition)

- Tolerance is a requirement if we are to achieve anything worthwhile. If a person does not want to learn the ways of a certain thought style, it is the right of that person. However, if that person wishes to share his opinion with somebody else, he must be willing to hear the other persons opinions and thought style as well.

-nothing is false until it is accurately disproven. The existence of a god is not a false idea, as it has yet to be disproven.

-It is the duty of the species to expand to the limit of it's abilities. This is the way of life.

-It is also the duty of the species to never destroy life where it can be helped. This means that expansion must be limited to allow for the existence of other species.

I dunno im still workin on it. I'll take a few philosophy classes and revise it maybe?



[This message has been edited by samurai_steve (edited 02-01-2007).]
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Old 2007-02-01, 05:43
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Consider this about God: He exists outside of the realms of nature. If science can only prove empirically things that exist inside nature, then science can never prove or disprove the existence of God.



Back to your ideas. Where do they come from? Is it just a coincidence that they seem to coincide with most laws humans regard as just? Can they be linked to a supreme Moral Law that is unwavering?

Genesis is only undeniably fictional when taken literally. If God exists outside of time, then can 7 days really be applicable to Him? Also, is it not possible that God sort of set things into motion and let the universe grow and expand? Could it be that God knew humans (and other sentient beings) would come along someday, yet he also knew that we would only attempt to contact Him when we realized our sentience?

About the typical American: I think the older the person is the more inclined they are to believe that the U.S. is guided by God. Younger citizens seem to know the reality of our faulty government. However, I think God guides the willing. This means those willing by deed, not by decree. Several officials may claim to be working for God, but they're actions beg to differ.

Jesus cared about actions, not so much verbal intentions.
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Old 2007-02-01, 20:00
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I think this ignores the loopole of what the Bible DOESN'T say. It never mentions that God didn't have several prjects going on.

(Dammnit! I'm taking part in Theology! I'm gonna have to take part in some philosophy to even it out)
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