Evidence for the Bible.

[haruspex]

The accuracy of biblical prophecy is amazing. Take a look for yourself at all the prophecies that were fulfilled. How could it be by chance? http://www.aboutbibleprophecy.com/

"I am the way, the truth and the life: no one can come to the Father but by me." (John 14:6)

[xray]

The prophecies I saw on your website seemed pretty vague, and could apply to a plethora of generic situations/scenarios. Could you direct me to some specific prophecies that you find particularly convincing?

[Martini]

Originally Posted by haruspex

Take a look for yourself at all the prophecies that were fulfilled. How could it be by chance?

Would you like to elaborate on this point?
Or is this simply a drive-by witnessing?

I'm highly disappointed. I was expecting a list only of hits and no record of misses, but some of these "hits" are just things that are expected to occur. I mean, out of the 12 prophecies by Jesus they've put up, 9 of them they admit haven't actually happened yet. If the big guy only gets a 1/4 hit rating when his biggest supporters get to pick, I hate to think what happens to the other guys.

[haruspex]

Ok, the Book of Micah was written around 700 BC and Micah 5:2 says But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.
Then about 700 years later, Jesus was born in Bethlehem

Here is an interesting one http://www.aboutbibleprophecy.com/ezekiel_4_3.htm

Also, Genesis 28 :14 says God will bless the world through Jacob's seed. It is interesting to note that the Jews are only 1% of the population of the world yet they hold 23% of Nobel Prize awards. http://www.jinfo.org/Nobel_Prizes.html

Also, the Bible predicted that Jerusalem and the Temple would be destroyed, the Jews would be exiled, Israel would become a wasteland, the Jews would be scattered, persecuted, preserved, return to their homeland, reside with their enemies and that Israel would one day be restored (1948). http://www.aboutbibleprophecy.com/accuracy.htm

Psalms 22:16 speaks of someone whose hands and feet are pierced

Here are some about the Messiah. http://www.aboutbibleprophecy.com/messianic.htm

[FreedomHippie]

Originally Posted by haruspex

Ok, the Book of Micah was written around 700 BC and Micah 5:2 says But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.
Then about 700 years later, Jesus was born in Bethlehem

Jesus was not a ruler of Israel...

Also, Genesis 28 :14 says God will bless the world through Jacob's seed. It is interesting to note that the Jews are only 1% of the population of the world yet they hold 23% of Nobel Prize awards.

Thats because Jews get shit done, why do you think they killed jesus?

No really though, what does that have anything to do with christanity that Jews happen to win more Nobel awards?

Psalms 22:16 speaks of someone whose hands and feet are pierced

Refering to jesus of course, it must be right? How does that prove the bible is correct?

[FreedomHippie]

Instead of creating a new thread maybe I can get this answered here.

Back 2000 years ago is it possible that getting pregnant and having a child was a terrible thing to do without being married (sound familiar?)

Now, what if mary and joseph thought of this scheme that they would proclaim that their son is god and that is was an immaculate conception to protect themselves from being punished for having a child without being married?

[Scraff]

Your cite takes credit for this as an accurate and fulfilled prophecy regarding Israel:

Deuteronomy 29:23
The whole land will be a burning waste of salt and sulfur--nothing planted, nothing sprouting, no vegetation growing on it. It will be like the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, Admah and Zeboiim, which the LORD overthrew in fierce anger.

Is this a whoosh? Been to Israel lately? If that prophecy counts as correct what would count as wrong? This sort of prediction amazes you?

[Scraff]

Originally Posted by haruspex

Ok, the Book of Micah was written around 700 BC and Micah 5:2 says But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.
Then about 700 years later, Jesus was born in Bethlehem

Here is an interesting one http://www.aboutbibleprophecy.com/ezekiel_4_3.htm

Also, Genesis 28 :14 says God will bless the world through Jacob's seed. It is interesting to note that the Jews are only 1% of the population of the world yet they hold 23% of Nobel Prize awards. http://www.jinfo.org/Nobel_Prizes.html

Also, the Bible predicted that Jerusalem and the Temple would be destroyed, the Jews would be exiled, Israel would become a wasteland, the Jews would be scattered, persecuted, preserved, return to their homeland, reside with their enemies and that Israel would one day be restored (1948). http://www.aboutbibleprophecy.com/accuracy.htm

Psalms 22:16 speaks of someone whose hands and feet are pierced

Here are some about the Messiah. http://www.aboutbibleprophecy.com/messianic.htm

This does not prove anything about Jesus. There is a quote in the Bible when Jesus was on the cross and it states Jesus' garments were being fought over so that prophecy would be fulfilled. Same with" they have pierced my hands and feet they have numbered all my bones" This could well be that they did all they could to make it look like Prophecy would be fulfilled as the Gospel of Judus suggests.

Since Jesus is quoted as saying that that generation would not pass away until all things had been accomplished,if the stars were to fall etc. for the end of the world than there would be no meek to inherit the earth as the earth itself would be destroyed. The church then decided that Jesus didn't mean that generation.

[xray]

Originally Posted by haruspex

Ok, the Book of Micah was written around 700 BC and Micah 5:2 says But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.
Then about 700 years later, Jesus was born in Bethlehem

Bethlehem was the birthplace of David and therefore the presumptive birthplace of the Messiah (David's heir). There are two major problems with trying to claim Jesus as a fulfillment of this prophecy. One is that he was never a ruler in Israel. Two is that it's highly unlikely he was born in Bethlehem. There is no real evidence for it. John and Mark didn't think he was born in Bethlehem. Neither did Paul. Matthew and Luke both placed the birth in bethlehem to force it o fit expectations but both were forced to invent (wildly contradictory) fictional narratives to get him there and their births are set ten years apart. Even if it could be proven that Jesus was born in Bethlehem (which it can't), the fact that he was never a ruler in Israel makes this a non-starter.

Originally Posted by haruspex

Here is an interesting one http://www.aboutbibleprophecy.com/ezekiel_4_3.htm

I said I don't want to debate links, but I will just say that the author you link to invents a fictional 360 day ancient Jewish calendar to make his convoluted math work out for him. There was never any such calendar. That's not the only fact-challenged claim on the page but it's probably the most glaring.

Originally Posted by haruspex

Also, Genesis 28 :14 says God will bless the world through Jacob's seed. It is interesting to note that the Jews are only 1% of the population of the world yet they hold 23% of Nobel Prize awards. http://www.jinfo.org/Nobel_Prizes.html

Lame.

Originally Posted by haruspex

Also, the Bible predicted that Jerusalem and the Temple would be destroyed, the Jews would be exiled, Israel would become a wasteland, the Jews would be scattered, persecuted, preserved, return to their homeland, reside with their enemies and that Israel would one day be restored (1948). http://www.aboutbibleprophecy.com/accuracy.htm

Israel was always getting invaded and razed and scattered in ancient times. Predicting that was like predicting it would rain. A lot of those prophecies were also written after the fact.

Originally Posted by haruspex

Psalms 22:16 speaks of someone whose hands and feet are pierced

It doesn't say "pierced." That's a mistranslation from the Hebrew. It's also not about the Messiah.

Originally Posted by haruspex

Here are some about the Messiah. http://www.aboutbibleprophecy.com/messianic.htm

Please don't try to debate with nothing but links. Say it yourself, in your own words.


If a prophecy comes from an Almighty who can see and shape the future, here is what it looks like:

"On the day which will be known as May 14, 1948, a man named David Ben Gurion will read a Declaration of Independence to establish a State of Israel that will take its place among the Nations of the World."

If a prophecy comes from a non-specific "sage" hoping to impress the polloi, here is what it looks like:

"Someday the Jews will return to their homeland."

Notice the difference? It's called wiggleroom and it's what separates thinking people from nitwits in terms of how amazed they are with "accuracy."

Not to mention the structure of Biblical prophecies. Your cites are scattered snippets taken from the middle of long rants and applied post-event to show in retrospect how they fit. Any decent real prophetic book would have the list of detailed specific events and fulfillment dates in a chapter called "These are the Biblical prophecies."

Jesus was never Ruler in Israel so I am underwhelmed by your Micah reference.

[Martini]

I looked at the first one on the website:

"In Genesis 15:5, the Bible said that Abraham would have many descendants and that counting them would be like counting the stars. The fulfillment of this prophecy is obvious. In fact it is so obvious that it can be easily overlooked:

Abraham is the only person revered by large numbers of people throughout world as being their ancestor.

He is the father of the Jewish people, as explained in the book of Genesis, through his son Isaac, and through Isaac's son Israel.

Christians become descendants of Abraham through faith (Galatians 3:29), just as Abraham became the father of many nations through faith (Genesis chapters 12-17; Romans 4:18)."

1. There are more stars than descendants. We also don't count people using radio telescopes.

2. Adam is revered by large numbers of people throughout world as being their ancestor.

3. Sharing a faith does not make you a descendant.

It would have been trivially easy for God to come up with a true prophecy.

"You shall discover that the ratio of a circle begins 3.14159 and defining its accuracy continues forever."
"The Nation of Israel shall be formed shortly after the second global war."
"I have left a black obelisk on the Moon, which shall be discovered nearly 2000 years after my Son is crucified."

But He couldn't manage any of that.

Please rely on your faith for your religious belief. There is no scientific evidence of God, and your 'predictions' are a sign of desperation.