Question about hell

[Punk_Rocker_22]

I've had this scenario floating around my head for awhile.

Think of someone you love, really love. Mother, father, wife, husband, anyone. OK? Good.

Now lets say that person killed another person. You dad gets fired from his job so he kills his boss and gets away with it. He isn't sorry because the guy was a jerk and abused him for 20 years. Perhaps your mother sleeps with another man, or something like that.

Now would you sentence that person to an eternity of fire and burning and pain and suffering and torture until the end of time, just because they did that without remorse?

I know I wouldn't. So does that make me more forgiving and more loving than god? I think it does.

[Rolloffle]

Someone who commits murders but repents and accepts Jesus Christ will go to heaven, but someone who lives a "good" life but rejects Jesus Christ will go to hell.

People are not saved by their good works (Ephesians 2:8-9), only God's grace and their faith.

It's not so much a matter of God choosing to condemn people to hell as it is God only choosing to give eternal life & salvation to those who believe him.

God doesn't owe anyone anything. He's already given everyone 1 life here on Earth. Why should he give someone an additional life in heaven if they won't even acknowledge his existance?

[panthermodern]

Originally Posted by Rolloffle

God doesn't owe anyone anything. He's already given everyone 1 life here on Earth. Why should he give someone an additional life in heaven if they won't even acknowledge his existance?

Well, that's all fine and dandy, but why not just make the soul of the unbeliever cease to exist? Why sentence them to torture for all eternity?

As far as I'm concerned, any God who will send innocents to hell simply for not believing in him is a terrible monster, and not worth my worship.

[AngryFemme]

Originally Posted by Rolloffle

Someone who commits murders but repents and accepts Jesus Christ will go to heaven, but someone who lives a "good" life but rejects Jesus Christ will go to hell.

So one can just rape, murder, steal, lie and be an all-around bad person for the great majority of their life, but as long as they repent before they die and accept Jesus Christ, they still get into heaven?

Yet if one lives an upstanding, peaceful life free of murdering, raping, stealing and lying - and their only "sin" is not acknowledging Jesus Christ - they go to hell?

Heaven sounds like a place full of undesirables who were clever enough to know when to bluff in order to save their own ass.

Kinda like a criminal who can effectively get away with murder without serving time in prison as long as he's in good with the judge who oversees his case. But if an innocent man who has never murdered happens to get on the wrong side of the judge, he might very well be sent to prison although his crimes hardly warrant the punishment!

Ridiculous.

Ridiculous!

[Zman]

Originally Posted by AngryFemme

So one can just rape, murder, steal, lie and be an all-around bad person for the great majority of their life, but as long as they repent before they die and accept Jesus Christ, they still get into heaven?

Yet if one lives an upstanding, peaceful life free of murdering, raping, stealing and lying - and their only "sin" is not acknowledging Jesus Christ - they go to hell?

Heaven sounds like a place full of undesirables who were clever enough to know when to bluff in order to save their own ass.

Kinda like a criminal who can effectively get away with murder without serving time in prison as long as he's in good with the judge who oversees his case. But if an innocent man who has never murdered happens to get on the wrong side of the judge, he might very well be sent to prison although his crimes hardly warrant the punishment!

Ridiculous.

Ridiculous!

Uh, fail. You can't bluff with God.

[AngryFemme]

Originally Posted by Zman

Uh, fail. You can't bluff with God.

Okay, replace the word "bluff" and insert "repent". Makes no difference to the point of what I wrote.

Heaven sounds like a place full of undesirables who were clever enough to know when to repent in order to save their own ass.

[Scraff]

Originally Posted by AngryFemme

Okay, replace the word "bluff" and insert "repent". Makes no difference to the point of what I wrote.

Heaven sounds like a place full of undesirables who were clever enough to know when to repent in order to save their own ass.

You can't repent to save your own ass. Repenting entails actually feeling sorry for what you did, not just saying you repent to save yourself in an act of cleverness.

I do, however, agree with your point that living a good life and not believing some act 2000 years ago actually happened is a ridiculous reason to be punished so barbarically.

[i poop in your cereal]

Okay now. Either realize this as the truth, or fucking kill yourself:

There is no such thing as both a God and free will. It just doesn't make any sense.

If you honestly cannot comprehend this, you're stupid beyond belief.

[Scraff]

Originally Posted by i poop in your cereal

Okay now. Either realize this as the truth, or fucking kill yourself:

There is no such thing as both a God and free will. It just doesn't make any sense.

If you honestly cannot comprehend this, you're stupid beyond belief.

And how smart is someone who can't reply in the correct thread?

[i poop in your cereal]

Originally Posted by Scraff

And how smart is someone who can't reply in the correct thread?

I did reply in the correct thread.

And I've never claimed to be 'smart'.