Big Bang is Best Evidence of God Since Moses Came Down From Sinai

[kurdt318]

This is the claim made by nuclear scientist Gerald Schroeder.

http://www.geraldschroeder.com/new.html

I was recently watching a t.v. show, where Gerry Schroeder was interviewed and explained his above statement.

Science estimates that the Earth is 15 billion years old but, The Bible states that the universe was created in 6 days, so how are both of them right? Because of a process known as time dilation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_dilation

The fabric of space is like rubber in the sense that it can stretch, and in doing so it distorts time. When the Big Bang occured it stretched space by a factor of 1,000,000,000,000 or one trillion.

Now because this massive stretch distorted time, Earth's age appears to be 15,000,000,000 or 15 billion years old. But if you were to view the earth from point of origin on the universe (where no time has been distorted) the time is much shorter. And Gerald Schroeder's proof?

15,000,000,000 (age of the universe based on earth's relation to the point of origin) divided by 1,000,000,000,000 (factor by which the universe has stretched)
is equal to...

0.015 and that converted into days is 6!

[BrokeProphet]

http://www.talkreason.org/articles/schroeder.cfm

List of things wrong with Schroeder's theories.

Schroeder proceeds to give an example of "time dilation." This is a well known experimental result regarding the behavior of mu-mesons (muons). As Schroeder tells the readers, while 200 microseconds elapse in the frame of reference attached to the ground, only 4.5 microseconds elapse in the frame of reference of the moving muon itself. Experts would gladly agree with that statement, while laypersons have to rely on Schroeder's scientific background and accept his statements.

From this point on the paths of experts and of laypersons necessarily will go in different directions. Laypersons, impressed by Schroeder's scientific credentials, may continue accepting his further explanations. The experts, however, would rather shrug off the next step in Schroeder's line of thought. In that next step, Schroeder makes a leap from the case of fast moving muons to the case of creation of the universe in six days. According to Schroeder, before creating the first man, Adam, God acted in his own frame of reference, vastly different from the frame of reference which would be chosen by him at the moment of Adam's creation. In the pre-Adam frame of reference - the frame of the Creator - what would become billions of years on the future post-Adam clock were just days. At the moment of Adam's creation, God chose to switch to the post-Adam frame of reference, which then became the same for God and men. What had been only six days in the pre-Adam frame of reference, in the new frame of reference common for both the Creator and the creation, would become billions of years. That is what Schroeder tells us.

Can we assert that the above idea is false? We can't. On the other hand, can we assert, based on rational considerations, that the above idea is true? Again, we can't.

So what we have is another piece of religious explanation that cannot be proven true or false.

In short, nothing fucking new at all.

[kurdt318]

Originally Posted by BrokeProphet

In short, nothing fucking new at all.

Geez, if you're gonna use such mean language go back to IFIOTW .

[truckfixr]

Originally Posted by kurdt318

This is the claim made by nuclear scientist Gerald Schroeder.

http://www.geraldschroeder.com/new.html

I was recently watching a t.v. show, where Gerry Schroeder was interviewed and explained his above statement.

Science estimates that the Earth is 15 billion years old but, The Bible states that the universe was created in 6 days, so how are both of them right? Because of a process known as time dilation.

Science does not claim that the earth is 15 billion years old. More in the neighborhood of 4.6 billion years. The big bang occured a damn long time before the earth formed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_dilation

The fabric of space is like rubber in the sense that it can stretch, and in doing so it distorts time. When the Big Bang occured it stretched space by a factor of 1,000,000,000,000 or one trillion.

Now because this massive stretch distorted time, Earth's age appears to be 15,000,000,000 or 15 billion years old. But if you were to view the earth from point of origin on the universe (where no time has been distorted) the time is much shorter. And Gerald Schroeder's proof?

15,000,000,000 (age of the universe based on earth's relation to the point of origin) divided by 1,000,000,000,000 (factor by which the universe has stretched)
is equal to...

0.015 and that converted into days is 6!

Science does not know the point of origin of the universe.

[kurdt318]

Originally Posted by truckfixr

Science does not claim that the earth is 15 billion years old. More in the neighborhood of 4.6 billion years. The big bang occured a damn long time before the earth formed.

You're right but, I thought I would confuse people, instead of saying "age of this universe in comparison to the center of the larger surrounding universe.

Originally Posted by truckfixr

Science does not know the point of origin of the universe.

Yes, which is why it is only a theory.

[Mufasa09]

Kinda stupid question but..who wrote the book of genesis? Who delivered the information?

[AngryFemme]

Arguably, Moses. Most likely: Several people.

[kurdt318]

Originally Posted by Mufasa09

Who delivered the information?

Gerald Schroeder believes that the ancients were more in touch with the natural world, especially astronomy (the egyptian pyramids, stonehenge, etc.) and could deduce this information.

[truckfixr]

Originally Posted by kurdt318

Yes, which is why it is only a hypothesis.

fixed

[Flaky]

Originally Posted by kurdt318

Yes, which is why it is only a theory.

It's not a fucking theory, it's a damn hypothesis.