Religion and Science

[trustt]

In this age where we cannot even think of our life without a Cell Phone do you think we still need to practice religion so as to not get labeled as Atheists? Frankly, Religion is coming in our way of everything we do or want to do. I mean take the example of Gene Engineering we surely have to find a way out of this mess..

[Roxberry]

Originally Posted by trustt

In this age where we cannot even think of our life without a Cell Phone do you think we still need to practice religion so as to not get labeled as Atheists?

Are you or does someone you know actually practice a religion because of a fear or dislike, etc. of the "atheist" label?

What does the "Cell Phone" age have to do with those not wanting labels? I don't get the relationship between your first sentence and the following two.

[countdown2chaos]

Originally Posted by trustt

. I mean take the example of Gene Engineering we surely have to find a way out of this mess..

Why? Why can we not create? Gods create, why can't we?

[trustt]

Why does Religion not support Clone Engineering??

[countdown2chaos]

Originally Posted by trustt

Why does Religion not support Clone Engineering??

I don't know, I'm not religious, I'm just spiritual.

[Rizzo in a box]

Originally Posted by countdown2chaos

Why? Why can we not create? Gods create, why can't we?

We can not create anything, we only piece together parts of other creation and call it something new.

[countdown2chaos]

Originally Posted by Rizzo in a box

We can not create anything, we only piece together parts of other creation and call it something new.

Agreed, however I did not mean "create" as the tense you took it. Such as the original source "created" the Infinite Creator and the Infinite Creator created the Logos, and they created sub-logos who created sub-logos, etc. All the same, all One, cannot "create" what has always been.

[BrokeProphet]

Why pray for a miracle to rid you of your infection, when you can go to the store, get some orange peel mold, and be done?

Why pray to walk again, when a doctor can use stem cells to cure you?

Why pray for a kidney transplant when a doctor can go to your vat grown clone, rip out a kidney, and have you out of the hospital and pissing like a teenager in just a few days?

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As scientific knowledge increases, God gets smaller. God, even now, fills ONLY the gaps of scientific knowledge. The only realms God gets power in (soul, afterlife, etc.) are realms of "knowledge" that could have been easily made up bullshit.

As we begin to shrink those gaps, God will just seem more and more like Zeus and Thor. Who are dead now b/c we know thunder and lightning are the results of static electricity, releasing of electrons and so forth. Not b/c God's fight in our big 'ol scary sky.

This is why I believe religion has attempted, with some success even to this day, to keep it's boot on the neck of scientific achievement.

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Bronze Age beliefs dictating our scientific progression FTL.

[countdown2chaos]

Originally Posted by BrokeProphet

As scientific knowledge increases, God gets smaller. God, even now, fills ONLY the gaps of scientific knowledge.

This is why I believe religion has attempted, with some success even to this day, to keep it's boot on the neck of scientific achievement.

However, you are only semi-right, religion of the west maybe, but scientific knowledge doesn't contradict Taoism or Buddhism or Hinduism or Shinto.
As science goes on, religion may decline, but spirituality will not, it can and will only rise as people become more enlightened and see through Dogma and religious bullshit and come closer to the true Original Source.

[BrokeProphet]

Originally Posted by countdown2chaos

However, you are only semi-right, religion of the west maybe, but scientific knowledge doesn't contradict Taoism or Buddhism or Hinduism or Shinto.
As science goes on, religion may decline, but spirituality will not, it can and will only rise as people become more enlightened and see through Dogma and religious bullshit and come closer to the true Original Source.

Those religions are designed differently and you are correct, the Eastern religions allow for more scientific thought. I personally think Hinduism is the best designed in regards to adapting towards new scientific information.

And as science goes on and Jesus goes the way of Zeus and Thor, it seems he might be replaced by Xenu, or Joseph Smith. Who knows when these things become mythology. Who knows what religion spirituality will lead us to, and what detrimental effects this new God or Gods will have on humankind. I say detrimental b/c by just looking at the track record thus far, it seems likely.

I appreciate you condemnation of religious dogma and rhetoric, but I believe spirituality ultimately enables such dogma and rhetoric. All it takes is a few charismatic assholes to lie about something EASILY lied about (spirit, god, afterlife) and BAM you have a new religion breathing down the neck of the secular.

I am of the opinion that religion should just go away and take its primary enabler spirituality with it.