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Hi OP:
First I just want to say that I appreciate your effort in helping people become educated with the Jewish people. Also I want to apologize about my previous behavior in that thread where I called you many nasty things. I can assure you that I am not racist towards the Jewish people/faith as a whole and I hope there are no hard feelings. Having said all that:
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no hard feelings wan, you are a troll an will say anything to get a rise out of people. i cant hold a grudge against you for being who you are.
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1. Are Hebrews the same as the Jewish people?
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it is a question of time. hebrews refer to jews that lived in the land of israel before the assyrian captivity. jews an israelites refer to those that were born after the assyrian captivity.
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2. Is it true that the Jewish people believe that they are entitled to a certain patch of land, just because their God told them so?
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this depends on which jew you ask, as i have explained in my previous post many jews believe many different things. my personal understanding of the jewish faith is that israel is more of a mental/spiritual destination than an actual physical entity. many reformed jews share this belief. however if you were to ask a othordox jew they would tell you god set aside land for us and only us. cause we are special.
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3. If number 2 is true, what is stopping them from claiming that their God told them that the entire world belongs to them, and as such they are entitled to lording it over the rest of humanity? Keep in mind the validity of this question hinges entirely upon question number 2 being true.
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this response depends on which segment of judasim you subscribe to. a orthodox will tell you something else, as will a conservative. i am a reformed jew so my beliefs are different as well. the answer below assumes that god really did promise a srtip of land to the jews almost 6000 years ago.
the torah mentions only a certain strip of land, known as cannaan, as being set aside for the jews. not the whole planet. also no where is it mentioned that jews should lord over all humanity, if anything jews are supposed to not get involved with the ruling of non jews.
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4. Did the Jewish people ever have a land to begin with?
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this depends on who you ask. if you look at it from a religious perspective then no, the jews did not have a land to begin with. as you will remember abraham the first jew came from the ancient Mesopotamian city state of Ur. after he became a jew by making a covenant with god abraham took his family and wondered through arabia until he came upon the land god told him about. then with the lords help the jews smote the canaanites an took their land
If you look at it from a historical perspective i would say yes, the jews did have a land to begin with. jews are a semitic people whose history can be traced by the study of language. it seems they originated in arabia an simply followed the caravan routes as a nomadic people calling most of mesopotamia home.
the jewish faith as we all know it today probably began during the egyptian captivity. eygpt the super power at that time was well known for enslaving its foes an moving them to far reaches of the empire. one of these enslaved groups was the semitic peoples. while in captivity they developed a unique belief system that would latter be called judasim.
It seems that most of the stories in the bible have little to no historical background an many were in fact created around the time of 800bc. just before the assyrian invasion an conquest.
the stories were made up by the kings of judea in a hope to bring about a common heritage that would unify the people in the coming fight. fictional characters probably include all the great kings from saul to david to solomon
of course the above is just one of many interpretations of events
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5. Assuming the answer to 4 is no, how did they develop into a people without having a land on which to grow, prosper, and multiply?
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read the above. but also it depends on who you ask. as i have said different jews believe different things.
remember many landless or nomadic tribes have been able to develop, grow, prosper, an multiply. a nomadic horde under Genghis Kahn was able to conquer most of the civilized world in only a few short years.
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6. Is it true that the patch of land that is the state of Israel, was taken from the previous occupants by the Allies, and given to the Zionists, all without regards as to their (the previous occupants) welfare, and furthermore, against their will?
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yes an no. some of the land was bought, some of it was agreed upon, but lots of it was simply taken by force. the allies did not take part in this taking by force, but they also did not try an stop it. the allies did broker many of the land purchases though. as you may or may not know the land had been promised to both the jews and the arabs after the breakdown of the ottoman empire.
as far as the previous occupants go, they were shafted by all sides. some of their leaders sold the land from out from under them, others simply told them to leave during the 1949 war and that they could come back once israel was shoved into the ocean. the allies broke their promises as well. and the zionist. well they were rabid. one of the first suicide bombers was actually a jew. killed alot of british soldiers.
the welfare of the people is very rarely taken into consideration. just open a history book. the only time a peoples welfare is taken into account is when their needs happen to coincide with the powers goals.
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7. Why would the Allies feel the need to ensure the Jewish people have a homeland? Note I am not saying they shouldn't care; I am just wondering why they not only cared, but apparently to such a degree that they appropriated people's land?
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i think it has to do witht he geo politics of the time. oil was being discoverd all over the place and the allies were spliting up into their cold war factions. the US, UK an France felt it would be good to have a friendly state in the region. so did the USSR. so one side backed israel an the other side backed the arabs.
it was not a need to ensure that jews had a homeland. it was a need to ensure that the new power structure the came out of world war 2 would be able to survive.
again, that is just one interpretation of events
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8. Just where is the Jewish homeland?
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depends whom you ask. a orthodox jew would point his finger right where the current state of israel is. a conservative would only point to jerusalem an be satisfied with the city. a reformed jew would look inwards an see that the homeland is with in us, a spiritual place that can only be reached through thought.
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9. Why should the rest of the world care if the Jewish people have a homeland or not? Note I am not saying we shouldn't care, I am just perplexed as to why so many non-Jews care so much about Jewish people having a homeland.
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they shouldnt. the world we live in has so many big fucking problems facing us, the status of a jewish state should be everyones last concern.
i think alot of Christians care because a jewish state is one of the pre reqs to the end of days.
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10. The state of Israel. Is it legitimate, or not?
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i dont think it is. but then again i dont think any state is legitimate. so uhh, yeah. if you look at the current pre reqs of being a state then i would say israel is indeed a state that has been made legitimate by 50+ years of existence plus the blessing of the UN. what ever that is worth.
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