No one knows for sure whats up.So be AGNOSTIC !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Inebriateddonkey]

The fact that there is no proof of God is reason enough to be atheist. There's no proof of fairies, but people don't generally believe in them. If you want to make me believe in God, it's your job to prove him. If you don't do that, then there's no reason to believe in him.

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quote:Originally posted by Inebriateddonkey:

The fact that there is no proof of God is reason enough to be atheist. There's no proof of fairies, but people don't generally believe in them. If you want to make me believe in God, it's your job to prove him. If you don't do that, then there's no reason to believe in him.

It seems all to simple until a theist tries to understand it. What's the deal with that?

[UrbnTbone]

By scientific law, one assumes there is a cause, just as in the world there is a cause for every effect.

By the same law if there is no proof against a logical hypothesis, it is assumed by the sanity of its logic vs. the insanity of the opposite proposition.

Here the logic is, according to general law, there must be a cause of all causes.

I hate to say it since in the USA belief in God can be misinterpreted as belief in christian stupid heretic dogma. But hey it's true, there is a good chance that a God made us.

Then we shouldn't try to blame on God all human sins and atrocities, but change ourselves to improve what we dislike in God's creation.

And being that the greatest enemy of God is organized religion, then we'd better be agnostics.

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quote:Originally posted by UrbnTbone:

Here the logic is, according to general law, there must be a cause of all causes.

No. Wrong. Not everything is an effect. The universe itself is not an effect.

[Beany]

'yeah but my god said that if i don't believe in him, he'll send me to a horrible place where a scarey monster will hurt me'

Fuck that!



Believe dude, believe

Believe and then find out what it is you believe in.

[Beany]

for instance

I believed that God was the consciousness behind all that exists.

After months of deep deep thinking, it turns out i was right.

[Dark_Magneto]

It wasn't a drug indiced revelation, was it?

You know how many times the secret of the universe has been conclusively solved on shrooms, only to be forgotten when the effect wear off ?

If you proved it to yourself, then you should be able to prove it to everybody else using that same criteria, right? I'm sure you thought it through, checked it's validity, the logic, and rationale, worked out any discernable counterpoints to it, tested the hypothesys, and came to a definitive conclusion, right?

[Rust]

"The fact that there is no proof of God is reason enough to be atheist. There's no proof of fairies, but people don't generally believe in them. If you want to make me believe in God, it's your job to prove him. If you don't do that, then there's no reason to believe in him."

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The fact that there is no proof of the non-existance of God, is reason enough to be a theist. There's no proof of the infinity of the universe, but people generally believe in it. If you want to make me, not believe in God, it's your job to prove his non-existence. If you don't do that, then there's no reason not to believe in him.

It seems all to simple until an atheist tries to understand it. What's the deal with that?



If you ask a theist to prove the existence of God, the burden of proof is on him.

If you ask an atheist to prove the non-existence of God, the burden of proof is on him.

[Beany]

quote:Originally posted by Dark_Magneto:

If you proved it to yourself, then you should be able to prove it to everybody else using that same criteria, right? I'm sure you thought it through, checked it's validity, the logic, and rationale, worked out any discernable counterpoints to it, tested the hypothesys, and came to a definitive conclusion, right?

Sure did. But since Language has many limitations, it's impossible to prove it to someone else, but you can help them on the right path to proving for themselves.

It's impossible to acurately communicate most of your thoughts through spoken laguage without the other person misunderstanding to a degree.

[Beany]

quote:Originally posted by Rust:

If you ask a theist to prove the existence of God, the burden of proof is on him.

If you ask an atheist to prove the non-existence of God, the burden of proof is on him.

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