The perfect reason to become athiest, christians, please consider.

[655321]

I found the greatest site that disproves christianity in so many ways. Sure this could fit in IFioTW, but i believe it is more fitting here.

www.biblebabble.com

[Kikey_Kikeowitz]

I disagree and find their contradictions to be false.

Besides, I doubt they're reading the original hebrew.

[655321]

What about the thoughts on freedom of choice?

[Kikey_Kikeowitz]

quote:Originally posted by 655321:

What about the thoughts on freedom of choice?

I found them interesting, but nothing I hadn't heard before.

There is no TRUE freedom of choice, of course.

Anything you choose to do was destined to happen, as time is not a continuum, but happening all at once.

[655321]

Now we're getting into metaphysics. Lets stick to religion.

[ilbastardoh]

an atheist believes he/she is an atheist because they can't swallow dogma, thereafter they can either not find a good reason to believe in god, or give up on religion all together. But eventualy it boils down to a belief, not proof because god cannot be proven true or untrue. I have seen evrey fucking side of the coin, i've studied buddhisim, taoism, shintoism, christianity, judeism, hinduism, even some recongnized cults, even the school of "hard knocks" non of these have any valid answer, non of these "systems" will ever account for evrey thing that a person can experience.

Evrey belief that limits you, including atheism, is the same as getting through a closed unlocked door without using the door knob. Why waste unnecessary energy and intention to destroy the door when it isn't a limitation to begin with, provided you have common understanding of doors.

and to your weak rebuttals I speak in metaphors because it tends to weed out the idiots.

[655321]

quote:Originally posted by ilbastardoh:

an atheist believes he/she is an atheist because they can't swallow dogma, thereafter they can either not find a good reason to believe in god, or give up on religion all together. But eventualy it boils down to a belief, not proof because god cannot be proven true or untrue. I have seen evrey fucking side of the coin, i've studied buddhisim, taoism, shintoism, christianity, judeism, hinduism, even some recongnized cults, even the school of "hard knocks" non of these have any valid answer, non of these "systems" will ever account for evrey thing that a person can experience.

Evrey belief that limits you, including atheism, is the same as getting through a closed unlocked door without using the door knob. Why waste unnecessary energy and intention to destroy the door when it isn't a limitation to begin with, provided you have common understanding of doors.

and to your weak rebuttals I speak in metaphors because it tends to weed out the idiots.

Not all Athiests are so because of dogma. I accept many commom moral values of your average human being. It is true that i cannot find a reason to believe in god. But just because i cant find a reason to believe in god doesnt mean i blindly think that there is another way like most athiests do. That would make me no better than a christian. The difference between you and I is that you need a final answer. You cant accept that some things cant be answered, then you slap the word God on things you cant explain. The first group of people to do this wrote long intricate confusing stories so that if something wasnt explained, they could fall back on the theory that "it is in the bible, its just that our weak mortal minds could not possibly comprehend it", and when people say "why would god give man a book he couldnt fully understand", they say thats where the faith comes in. Im not asking for proof of god, or proof that god doesnt exist, i wont have faith in either until i see some solid proof, and i dont care if it ever shows up. If god loved us, why would he make human nature want proof for something before it is accepted, then forces us to believe in something that we have no evidence of, (a bible is not evidence) or go to hell just because he made us that way? Dont argue that if we dont believe in hell, then its not his fault that we're going to it cause he gave us the choice not to but made us aware that there was, because if god really loved us he wouldnt let us make such a poor decision! "friends dont let friends drive drunk!" God doesnt exist. Show me a fucking angel and ill show you a newborn christian!



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[bigtmoney]

you said that crap about why would god make human nature want proof if he loved us. i offer this analogy.

if you were on one side of a meadow and on the other side there was something that you always dreamed of having is on the other say a car or beautiful girl was on the other. you also had a best freind there with you. your friend told you that if you crossed the meadow you would be killed by the crazy guys with uzis on the other side. you look and there right there with there scopes on you. How hard is it to trust your friend that they will kill you? Now what if your freind told you the same thing but you couldn't see anyone. So you would prolly say wat r u talking about, but you friend said no more just that you'll be killed. No u know if you really trust your friend right. Its your choice no one but your own.

That is why god does that. I myself am not sure what to believe i am a 15 year old guy who has been forced to go to church for all my life. I am not sure if god is real or not. I have figured on thing out tho, ALL religions are based on FAITH thats the plain and simple. I also know another thing, that if you or i died right now or if the world ended, and it is right, we would be going to hell. Thats not good. but i dont believe in religion just so i dont go to hell. if i did i would have to find a much better reason.

[This message has been edited by bigtmoney (edited 06-02-2003).]

[Iscariot2]

Let's all praise Allah then! For he is the only true god!

[Kikey_Kikeowitz]

quote:Originally posted by Iscariot2:

Let's all praise Allah then! For he is the only true god!

And Mohammed is his prophet/murdering zealot!